Posted by: CarolAnn | April 19, 2010

So you’re thinking of seceding

Tidbits on the repercussions of secession
If you are one of the riled-up citizens of the few States wishing to secede from the Nation, there are a few things you should know about the act of secession before pursuing your wild and zany goals:

  1. If your State secedes from the United States… hope that your State can provide you with all the fundamentals for living because in a secession, your State cannot obtain goods or services out of its State boundaries – for example: food items (canned goods, dry goods, meats, grains, potatoes, fruit, etc.).
  2. Pull out the wave radios and CBs! Because if you’re thinking of seceding from the United States… hope that your State has direct access to rocket-propelled satellite systems, because without the assistance of the Federal Government (FTC), your State will no longer have access to satellite television, the Internet, basic phone and cable services, facsimile services or cell phone services.  Like listening to or watching Glenn Beck? Guess you won’t be watching him on your high-def television or listening to him on your local radio. Of course if you have a set of rabbit ears and some aluminum foil…oh, wait a minute, do those televisions even exist anymore?
  3. If you’re thinking of seceding from the United States… pray that God will save your life and limb when disaster strikes; because without the aid of the Federal Government, no longer will your State be eligible for federal funding to help rebuild your community, your county or your State. As well, local National Guard servicemen and women will be redistributed to other non-secessionary States so that too, will no longer be a resource for your State in the event of a natural or man-made disaster. In addition, since your State will have seceded from the United States, all federal military bases will be shut down and deployed from your State – so much for that booming economy next to that Air Force, Marine, Army, Coast Guard or Naval base.
  4. Like civility and peace of mind? Not anymore!  When your State secedes, all inmates incarcerated at State and Federal levels must be released because without federal funding, many of these law enforcement protection services will be slashed dramatically. That goes for fire protection services and emergency medical services, too.
  5. If you’re thinking of seceding from the United States… medications, chemicals, food items, and other usable material or ingestible items will no longer be federally tested or regulated for safety.  Since the FDA is a Federally-sponsored service, you will become the guinea pig for anything you ingest, use, or allow your children to play with.
  6. If you’re thinking of seceding from the United States… your hard-earned “tax dollars” will no longer be worth the paper it is printed upon. In fact, since most of your State’s banking systems will no longer be FDIC Insured; you might as well kiss those greenbacks goodbye forever.  So while your State secedes from the Nation, your money will not buy you anything, pay for anything or be good for anything, for that matter. Hope you have loads of extra gold, silver, diamonds or other valuables lying around because you better get used to the “good old days” and get into the habit of bartering.
  7. If you’re thinking of seceding from the United States… hope your organized religious organizations can put the clothes on you and your family’s backs because nine times out of ten, your State does not manufacture the underwear, socks, shoes, pants, shirts, coats, hats, scarves, mittens, toiletries (toilet paper, mouth wash, hair shampoo/conditioner, tampons, condoms, soap, etc.) or boots you have grown so accustomed to buying from Wally World.  On that note, stores like Wal-Mart, K-Mart, Dollar Tree, Belk, Publix, etc. probably will not be able to offer you the merchandise you are accustomed to. In fact, if they are even operational, they will only be able to offer you local items. So … if you live in South Carolina for example, hope you like peaches and chicken… because most of the packaged meat at the local Piggly Wiggly comes from Mexico. No more trading will be available because guess what? In order to get to SC, trucks and other transportation services must travel through the Union FIRST.
  8. Which brings us to the next note: If you’re thinking of seceding from the United States and you are a “frequent flyer” for business or pleasure that will no longer be available to you. In fact, services like RTX, Greyhound, Amtrak, Delta, Pan-Am, US Airways, Southwestern, Jet Blue, United Airlines, etc. will no longer be able to come in or go out of your seceded State because they are no longer part of the “United States” (FAA) and all-new treaties will have to be signed in order to travel in or out of your State.
  9. If you’re thinking of seceding… gas and other natural resources will be going at a faster-than-the-speed-of-light rate so drag out the mule, the horse, or the dog sled to carry you and your family from point A to point B… because gas ain’t gonna get you there.
  10. If you’re thinking of seceding… and you have a special-needs family member, get used to taking care of the individual 24/7 because without payment for services you are SOL.
  11. If you’re thinking of seceding… and you like the fact that your kids can get a nearly-free education, kiss that goodbye as well. Since most public schools and colleges depend on federal grants and other federal funding to stay functioning, that too will no longer exist. Maybe your local church will voluntarily teach your children the foundation of reading, writing, and arithmetic’s; not to mention, chemistry, physics, biology, science, algebra, geometry, trigonometry, geography, etc. Ah heck, who needs all those extra classes anyway? Oh yeah… doctors, nurses, surveyors, civil engineers (road and bridge builders, highway system manufacturers, etc.), computer engineers, teachers, psychologists, psychiatrists, mechanics, pharmacists, water treatment plant operators, electricians (i.e., HVAC repairmen) and farmers (yes, those too), among several other professions.
  12. Into the Pentecostal or Mormon religions?  Okay, doesn’t really matter. If your State secedes, you might be mandated to prescribe to one certain religion. Hope you have free Wednesday nights and Sundays…oh wait a minute, yeah – you’ll have plenty of available time because you really won’t have anything else to do.
  13. If you’re thinking of seceding… your governor becomes your Commander in Chief. Since he will no longer answer to anyone higher than himself, if he decides that you can no longer own Chihuahuas, eat salt (Oh…wait, salt isn’t manufactured in every State so you might not have that anyway), smoke cigarettes, or drink moonshine (because we all know that Budweiser does not originate in every single State), then you are SOL.
  14. Like entertainment? Hope you enjoy local plays and bands, church choirs, and long walks in parks* (*which isn’t half-bad if I must say so myself). If you’re thinking of seceding, all those blockbuster films won’t be coming to your State because it is no longer part of the United States (trade restrictions). Furthermore, since some bands might just be too “Yankee” for a State, or simply cannot make it to your State because of the lack of transportation services (see paragraph G), then you won’t be listening to your favorite singer or group.
  15. Hope you like Brown! See what “Brown” can do for you because hopefully, if your State is legally allowed to send parcels and other mail items, UPS will become the one and only primary mail server for ALL your mailing needs… because the US Postal Service won’t be… anymore.
  16. Got Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, disability or social security? Not anymore! Thanks to your State seceding from the United States, you and any other citizens receiving these federally-sponsored health and livelihood programs will no longer receive these essentials. Hopefully your State has the fundamental resources to care for you because these services and programs will be obsolete.
  17. Got stocks, bonds, and a 401k? Not anymore!  Because if your State secedes from the Nation, none of those US Dollar-affiliated financial sources will benefit you now or in the future.
  18. Paying for that mortgage on that cushy double-wide or brick ranch home you bought? Not anymore! Since most mortgage loans are made by banking systems and your home is in a non-United States’ State, your friendly mortgage company will be calling in the loan on your home because it must be paid in full ( you know… those US dollars in your State aren’t going to be worth squat). If you and others do not pay your mortgage in full, you and all of those who do not will be personally responsible for the economic collapse of your community, your State and all those other United States because nine times out of ten, your town, county and State gets a piece of the pie on land taxes, home taxes, vehicle taxes, etc. Speaking of vehicles, since your car or SUV doesn’t have any gasoline; you can probably park those babies and let the repo-man come pick them up as well.

So, let’s recap: If you’re thinking of seceding, you won’t have access to health care because you won’t have a dime worth spit to pay for those services. If you’re thinking of seceding, your children will grow up ignorant because public school systems will become a thing of the past (probably better anyway because they can be more easily manipulated as they grow older). If you’re thinking of seceding, many of you will probably perish because food and other usable items (ones that are available, that is) will not be safety-tested for consumption or personal (or professional) use. If you’re thinking of seceding, you won’t have a roof over your head because your mortgage company has called in your loan. If you’re thinking of seceding, you won’t be able to talk to Grandma or Grandpa in Iowa because you have no communications services. But that’s okay, since your State has seceded; it is finally free and liberated from the evils of a “socialistic” society. Your State FINALLY has its country back! Thank God! Let’s celebrate with a tea party Cuban-style. :)


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OPED: So you’re thinking of seceding

By CarolAnn Bailey-Lloyd

PS. If your State does secede, please let me know how that seceding thingy works out for ya…

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Responses

  1. Thanks for doing work of listing some issues that need responding to in a FAQ. Of course, the more communities/cities/states secede at once, the less many of these things become issues. War vs. Iran and collapse of economy of course will make it all that much easier to sell the message of small states responsive to citizens instead of big ones controlled by special interest elites. Though it would be preferable to have a more orderly breakup of this an all large militarized nation states world wide.

  2. I think it is a good idea for these states to leave the union if the majority of the people want to go back to the past…personally I am happy that I live in a state where we are moving into the future….we are growing our infrastructure and have jobs that pay a living wage, education is key, so we work on improving it. I wonder, would this ever have a chance of happening. If these states hate the government then I say let them fend, for themselves in all instances.

  3. Excellent summary! Thanks.

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  5. NICE.

    But just for shits and giggles, “parish” should be “perish”

  6. The majority of these states touch each other and most or all would form a confederacy of some kind. All that Federal money? It comes from the states and the people of those states who will now be free to spend it at home for education, medical care, etc. The military? Almost all of them are against Obama. They hate their commander in chief. Most of them will go with their states, just like happened with the War Between the States. Infrastructure and communications? Those won’t be under the FCC’s command anymore. NASA’s assets are mostly in states with secession petitions. In short, the states that secede (unless it is just one or two isolated cases, which I am certain it wouldn’t be) are going to be in good shape. Time to step into a bit of reality here.

  7. Nice try…
    Unfortunately Internet, satellites that carry communications and entertainment, power plants, oil wells, coal mines, and MOST of the infrastructure you predict being lost…. are PRIVATELY OWNED…
    Television, radio, and other entertainment sources are LOCAL… even public services are provided by contracted private enterprise or volunteers in most states… 96% of the Fire Departments in the US are local, and 71% of the firefighters are volunteer.
    The FDA studies you predict not being done are conducted by the industry, NOT the FedGov. In fact MOST of the FedGov’s influence is parasitical in nature…or intended to redistribute the profits from the efforts of one group to another.
    Secession would, in those areas, be a cure not a problem.
    On the other hand, how long would D.C., NYC, or LA last without food, fuel, power, and water supplied from other states?
    You might want to rethink things just a little unless you’re fortunate enough to live in an area that is at least potentially self sufficient.
    Say one of those states that are considering succession…
    Mine produces oil, coal, nearly every mineral there is, in addition to beef, wheat, and other agricultural products…
    We can just close the doors and wait to see how the rest of you fare… Good Luck!

  8. This is almost as dumb as the people who want to secede.

    Replace “if you secede” with “if you live in another country” on each of your points and the silliness becomes obvious.

  9. only one correction: perish, not parish. darn spell-check. Other than that, spot on!

  10. This is one of the best responses to the secede petitions I’ve read. I also like the counter petitions that ask the President to revoke citizenship from people who signed the secede petitions. At the very least the signers should have to take a few civics classes. https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/strip-citizenship-everyone-who-signed-petition-secede-and-exile-them/ZbMjcwPf

  11. This basically was the ultimate “SIT DOWN” to the folks wantimg to succeed . When it boils down to it, you have folks such as Hannity and Bill o’reilly! as well as Beck who get their base riled up off of ignorance but they don’t think of the greater picture in the Long Run. Can I also add NFL and College teams to the list! Like seriously ,don’t they know those same teams will have to relocate or wont be funded in scholarships and recruitment.

  12. A lot of this is not really an issue. With the state keeping all the tax money that was going to the federal government, much of the items you list will easily be bought in something called “The Free Market”. We all know no one will secede, but you are in the mindset that the government is the source of all you wants, needs and desires. Just think about it.

  13. Yea how about you show a little compassion for those who are not signing and may be subject to the ignorance of others. Yea thanks a lot how’s that working for ya?

  14. Just because we live in one of the states where these backward hillbillies have decided to petition for secession, doesn’t mean we agree with them. I am an American first and have pledged allegiance to the flag since I was a little boy. Not once did I think of secession when W was in office. I believe to do so is un-American in the truest sense of the word.

  15. You left out one very important point. Two days after you become a country, Cuba and other Latin countries will be storming your shores. In the case of Texas, Mexican drug lords will be invading. You will have no protection From our military. Think about that, if you can.

  16. Someone with some sense of law & logic should have written this piece.
    You have wasted everybody’s time.
    Here’s a relevant issue: If you seceed, can you defend your new mini-nation?
    Instead, you can’t even consistantly SPELL seceed.
    AND you don’t know the difference between the Federal Trade Commission and the Federal Communications Commission.
    You won’t leave this up, but it IS GOING ON FACEBOOK.

  17. What are you just making stuff up? Although I’m not a fan of leaving the union, most of the information in that article is outright false. First of all, Texas is the only state with the economic and military means to attempt a secession alone.A more likely scenario would be that a group of states tries to break off on their own. Secondly there is no reason to think that secession cuts a state off from the rest of the world unless it was a trade embargo imposed by the remaining states. If the seceding states had the means to make a secession stick, the remaining states wouldn’t likely have the means to enforce an embargo. Most consumer products come from overseas and there’s no reason to think that the states would have to stop importing. It’s likely that any group of states considering secession would make sure they had an adequate food supply among themselves. B ) Just because TV and radio stations in town aren’t under the authority of the FCC doesn’t mean they have to turn the transmitters off and there’s no way to selectively keep satellite signals from hitting a state. C) The victims of hurricanes sandy and katrina have found out that fema isn’t really that much of a help anymore. D) There’s no reason to turn federal prisoners loose when they could be deported back to the United States. E) There’s no reason a state couldn’t write it’s own drug laws. F) A dollar is worth a dollar no matter what country you’re in. G) There’s no reason that a state would be cut off from international trade unless it was a trade embargo imposed by the remaining states. H)Airports and airlines are in the business of making money by transporting people. If there’s still an airport in your state, someone’s going to figure out a way to travel. Remember, before the patriot act you didn’t even need a passport to get into canada or mexio. I) & J) again, no reason that a state is cut off from the rest of the world. K)Although schools do get federal money, a good portion of their funding comes from the state and local level. L) secessions are about gaining freedom, not losing it. M) Governors don’t answer to the federal government, they answer to the people of the state. This won’t change. N) again, no reason for the state to be cut off. 0) really? no government subsidized private postal service running at a loss? where do i sign up? P) Yeah, entitlements would go away, but they’re part of what’s got us in this mess. Q) See F R) see F S)

  18. What a boring bunch of fearmongering. Most of those big scarythings will only become if the federal government were to blockade the separating states and take other sanctive actions against them, in doing so, it would be damaging itself and the remaining citizens just the same.

  19. I think a new country in and of the states that want to secede would be a good thing for everyone involved. A little revolution is a good thing once in a while. Let’s try and do it peacefully this time.

  20. Statist drivel, I’m surprised there wasn’t a hope you don’t like roads section. Ever heard of trade? Oh i guess not without the nanny state to take care of you…of the 189 countries on this planet quite a few are smaller and produce less than any state but many are just fine, Oh I know you can find many examples of third world nations where basic services are nonexistent but there are quite a few that are doing just fine with small governments and smaller geographic footprints. Education is key and the author definitely was short changed in hers since every one of these arguments can be easily remedied with free market solutions. I really like Q, do you really misunderstand the global financial markets that much that you think there is no international trade? Your own 401K probably has holdings in numerous exchanges around the globe….

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  23. Really had to laugh at the tirade when in fact its the bread basket that is saying NO to the beurocrats ruining this country. So while we are eating fresh bread and fresh fish open up your can of chinese dog meat since you all dont grow anything but a deficit anyways. Good luck to yall and dont forget to keep on spendin

  24. I’m game. Which states are seceding so I know where to move to. Thanks

  25. Moronic Liberal arguments. In reality, more countries than the US have communication and media satellites circling the globe. I don’t have time to point out all your other fails. It just shows the mentality of voters that keep voting for the status quo. Sad..

  26. Ready to give-up you U.S. citizenship?

  27. utter propaganda………….terrorism, …..spreading fear, comes in many guises

  28. This is an interesting summary. I think most of it is speculation but of course we won’t know until it actually happens. I think I speak for all of the metric using countries in the world when I say this; the individual states separating from a Federal Government that has turned into an out of control Orwellian Police state is a peaceful and promising development.

    The current regime in charge (which began with Bush, Sr.) would prefer to let it’s own taxpaying citizens go homeless and hungry, dragging their feet when it comes to disaster response from Hurricane Katrina or Sandy, cutting spending to education, claiming it ‘cannot afford’ health care for it’s citizens. Yet, it can somehow justify spending trillions of tax dollars to exterminate innocent women and children with robot planes, all for an illegal war of occupation to enact the theft of their natural resources by a handful of plutocrats. Somehow it can justify spending money on the militarization of their local Police forces, the TSA, the DHS, and the dissolution of their rights.

    The peaceful dissolution of the United States is certainly preferable to the alternative of an inevitable war with Russia or China, which WILL become thermo-nuclear. Those of us in the metric using countries of the world will no longer tolerate American global hegemony. The ecology of the planet will no longer tolerate an economic system based on continual growth, or petroleum, coal and nuclear energy sources. Global warming is real, and the hurricanes, droughts and tsunamis are only going to increase.

    Let me give you my opinion on the subject:

    “If your State secedes from the United States… hope that your State can provide you with all the fundamentals for living because in a secession, your State cannot obtain goods or services out of its State boundaries – for example: food items (canned goods, dry goods, meats, grains, potatoes, fruit, etc.).”

    I don’t understand why this is true. What about imports? Can you get goods from other countries in your state? Oranges from Mexico? Apples from Canada? How much of the stuff you buy is made in CHINA? Also, considering that the MAJORITY of states are planning on leaving what has become an out of control central government, why wouldn’t the states make a trade deal with their bordering neighbour? Goods and people cross the international borders between Mexico and Canada every day, so why would this be any different?

    On the other hand, even an isolationist economic policy would be good in the long term even if it is painful in the short term. International trade deals like NAFTA only serve the interests of international corporations who control the United States but could care less about the people who live there. A hundred and fifty years ago 90% of the country were farmers that grew their own food and were largely self-sufficient. Business and commerce was LOCAL. As a result, there was very little unemployment and not much poverty. Everyone could build their own house and grow their own food, even with a grade school education.

    “Pull out the wave radios and CBs! Because if you’re thinking of seceding from the United States… hope that your State has direct access to rocket-propelled satellite systems, because without the assistance of the Federal Government (FTC), your State will no longer have access to satellite television, the Internet, basic phone and cable services, facsimile services or cell phone services.”

    Oh, because you need a United States federal government to bring you the miracle of telecommunications? I wonder how the people in Mexico, Canada and other countries manage to do it without the permission of the United States FTC? Maybe they just set up their own? I’m also not sure why a corporation that makes a profit by being a provider would suddenly cut off their customers just because the people that lived in that location no longer agreed with an invisible and imaginary border.

    The internet is dynamic. It was designed to keep working even after a nuclear war. Washington has already tried to find a way to shut it down, but it’s not that easy. In countries such as Egypt and Iraq, people have gotten around their governments shutting the internet down by going back to dial-up and routing it themselves.

    ” Like listening to or watching Glenn Beck? Guess you won’t be watching him on your high-def television or listening to him on your local radio.”

    Which is a good thing, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter and the likes are IDIOTS. Again though, I don’t understand why these knuckle-dragging propagandists couldn’t broadcast their signal through the airwaves anyways. What’s to stop a radio signal from being broadcast or received across an imaginary line called a border?

    “Of course if you have a set of rabbit ears and some aluminum foil…oh, wait a minute, do those televisions even exist anymore?”

    Yes, yes they do. Gee, did you ever stop to wonder why laws were passed to make Television and radio digital in 1995? It was so they could control a unified propaganda message and shut out ‘pirate’ television and radio signals with alternative perspectives and viewpoints.

    “If you’re thinking of seceding from the United States… pray that God”

    God is a fairy tale for children.

    “will save your life and limb when disaster strikes; because without the aid of the Federal Government, no longer will your State be eligible for federal funding to help rebuild your community, your county or your State.”

    Which is going to happen more frequently of course, since the psychopaths in control of the U.S. government right now seem to think that Global warming isn’t as important than destroying other countries to steal their resources and keep them for themselves.

    Also, I am thinking of how incompetent FEMA was in the handling of ‘Hurricane Katrina’. Now it seems that ‘Occupy Wall Street’, which has NO funding from the U.S. government, is doing a better job of responding to Hurricane Sandy than the federally funded FEMA is.

    Oh, but President Obama was right on top of exterminating innocent women and children with multi-million dollar drones about 48 hours after he was re-elected by Goldman Sachs. So, just as long as you have your priorities strait.

    “As well, local National Guard servicemen and women will be redistributed to other non-secessionary States so that too, will no longer be a resource for your State in the event of a natural or man-made disaster.”

    Why is that? Where do the National Guard come from? Isn’t it comprised of the men and women from each state? In the event of a secession, someone just gets a can of paint and changes the name ‘National Guard’ to ‘Texan Republican Army’ or ‘Michigan State Militia’. All those men and women serving in the National guard of that state remain with that state, along with all their weapons, buildings and infrastructure. It was federally funded you say? Well, the U.S. government got the money for that from the taxpayers, so really all that property belongs to the taxpayers. If it was only a handful of states that seceded, that might be a problem. If however, most or ALL of the states secede from a rogue Government out of control then who is going to prevent the citizens from that state claiming those resources as their own?

    “In addition, since your State will have seceded from the United States, all federal military bases will be shut down and deployed from your State – so much for that booming economy next to that Air Force, Marine, Army, Coast Guard or Naval base.”

    Well cry me a f*cking river! The United States is a warmongering nation that spends HALF their tax dollars to support the largest most destructive military apparatus the world has ever seen. It is both paradoxically lethal and useless. A handful of U.S. submarines could kill every man, woman and child on the face of the planet, yet despite this the U.S. federal government continues to pour money into creating more weapons. At this point, the Government has to LIE to the world and create ‘wars’ which are nothing more than the genocide of people in third-world countries.

    Also, why couldn’t the people of that state just move into the closed down military bases and claim them for themselves. Who will stop them? The U.S. military? Really? Where will they come from? Aren’t your own soldiers committing suicide because they realize they are just killing women and children to make a few psychopaths rich through opium and oil?

    “Like civility and peace of mind? Not anymore! When your State secedes, all inmates incarcerated at State and Federal levels must be released because without federal funding, many of these law enforcement protection services will be slashed dramatically.”

    When you secede, ‘State’ becomes the new ‘Federal’.

    Also, the United States has more people in prison per capita than any country in the world, except China. A lot of those people are in prison for victimless crimes, such as possession of marijuana….a plant which has grown naturally for millions of years and has been used without harm since the dawn of civilization. Those people SHOULD NOT be in prison. Likewise, those people in prison for petty offences like theft should be released, and optionally their sentence could be commuted to something like house arrest or community service. Property is nine-tenths of the law, and the reason why ‘crime’ rates in the U.S. are so much higher than every other country in the world is because of the appalling inequity there. Countries like Canada and Sweden have far, far lower rates of crime simply because crime is dealt with preventably in these countries by giving everyone an equal chance.

    Also, saying that ‘funding will be slashed’ doesn’t mean a whole lot when a state secedes and becomes it’s own country, since it can start printing it’s own currency. U.S. currency is just pretty pictures printed on paper, and backed by nothing. When China dumps the U.S. dollar, it’s going to be worth nothing. So what is to stop a state which secedes from printing up and issuing it’s own currency?

    “That goes for fire protection services and emergency medical services, too.”

    Really? Are you telling me that these things are Federally funded? I thought they were municipally funded.

    “If you’re thinking of seceding from the United States… medications, chemicals, food items, and other usable material or ingestible items will no longer be federally tested or regulated for safety.”

    Not even by a new agency created in the newly seceded state? Remember, when a state separates from the U.S., it becomes it’s own Federal government. There’s nothing to stop a state from hiring a bunch of guys in lab coats to test these things.

    “Since the FDA is a Federally-sponsored service, you will become the guinea pig for anything you ingest, use, or allow your children to play with.”

    We are anyways. Are you familiar with Genetically Modified Organisms? They are labeled in practically every country in the world. GMO foods have been proven to cause tumours in rats, sterility in pigs, and ‘leaking gut syndrome’ in all mammals. 90% of Americans don’t want them in their food. Despite this, President Obama appointed a former Monsanto CEO to be head of the FDA. Everyone that buys packaged food from the supermarket is an unwilling ‘guinea pig’ in the largest experiment in the world.

    “If you’re thinking of seceding from the United States… your hard-earned “tax dollars” will no longer be worth the paper it is printed upon. ”

    U.S. dollars will soon be worth no more than the paper they are printed on. ‘Helicopter’ Ben Bernake just whips off more money on the printing press to pay for those illegal and unending wars of occupation that your tax dollars are going to pay for. Richard Nixon went off the gold standard for the U.S. dollar and switched to the petro-dollar in the sixties, so unless the U.S. can get it’s blood-stained hands on the remainder of the planet’s oil supply, their dollar is toilet paper.

    “In fact, since most of your State’s banking systems will no longer be FDIC Insured; you might as well kiss those greenbacks goodbye forever.”

    Which is probably the first thing that people would prepare to do when seceding from a country. Also, it’s worth noting that ‘greenbacks’ were created by Abraham Lincoln as a fiat currency that were created INDEPENDENT of the central banks and the fractional reserve system. So, just basically print up some paper money and have everyone agree that it’s worth something. It worked so well, that Lincoln ended up with a bullet in his head. There’s nothing to stop the Government of a newly separated state from doing the same thing.

    “So while your State secedes from the Nation, your money will not buy you anything, pay for anything or be good for anything, for that matter. Hope you have loads of extra gold, silver, diamonds or other valuables lying around because you better get used to the “good old days” and get into the habit of bartering.”

    Well, it’s something that we’d have to get used to in any case. Preppers have already been stocking up on precious metals and such. Bartering is a pretty good system, and it has the advantage of cutting out the tax man who just spends all the money on child exterminating drones anyways.

    Oh, and there is that matter of the national debt to think about. When you separate from the Federal government, you are no longer obligated to pay off that Trillion dollar debt that the feds have been racking up with those illegal wars.

    If you’re thinking of seceding from the United States… hope your organized religious organizations can put the clothes on you and your family’s backs because nine times out of ten, your State does not manufacture the underwear, socks, shoes, pants, shirts, coats, hats, scarves, mittens, toiletries (toilet paper, mouth wash, hair shampoo/conditioner, tampons, condoms, soap, etc.) or boots you have grown so accustomed to buying from Wally World.”

    Neither does your own COUNTRY for that matter.

    “On that note, stores like Wal-Mart, K-Mart, Dollar Tree, Belk, Publix, etc. probably will not be able to offer you the merchandise you are accustomed to. ”

    Hopefully they all go bankrupt. All of that cheap crap they sell comes from
    chinese slave labour anyways. While there is nothing to prevent a newly seceded state from importing this stuff anyways, Americans would be better off in the long run if they returned manufacturing to their own state anyways.

    “In fact, if they are even operational, they will only be able to offer you local items. So … if you live in South Carolina for example, hope you like peaches and chicken… because most of the packaged meat at the local Piggly Wiggly comes from Mexico.”

    Buying local is better for the economy AND the environment. Items that aren’t local are going to start costing a fortune anyways, when the price of petroleum skyrockets.

    “No more trading will be available because guess what? In order to get to SC, trucks and other transportation services must travel through the Union FIRST.”

    Well, seeing as there are now 31 (thirty-one) states that want to secede from an out of control rogue government controlled by genocidal madmen, it doesn’t seem to be a problem since most of these states share a border. Again, I don’t see why this would have any effect on international trade. However, as I stated before, it would be beneficial
    if every state became economically isolationist and started growing their own food and manufacturing their own goods and services again.

    “Which brings us to the next note: If you’re thinking of seceding from the United States and you are a “frequent flyer” for business or pleasure that will no longer be available to you.”

    What? So no more crotch gropes by the Grope-stapo checking for explosives in people’s underpants in the name of a phoney and contrived war on terror?

    Did you ever stop to wonder why these imaginary terrorists would be so robotically stupid as to try the exact same method of sneaking explosives onto a plane, when this one exact method is the specific thing that the TSA are searching for? Wouldn’t they try something different, like say pulling the fire alarm during the Christmas shopping rush at the mall, or blowing up a bridge? How many terrorists have been caught by the TSA anyways?

    Although it would be good to cut down on airplane transportation, another massive expenditure of fuel that contributes to global warming.

    “In fact, services like RTX, Greyhound, Amtrak, Delta, Pan-Am, US Airways, Southwestern, Jet Blue, United Airlines, etc. will no longer be able to come in or go out of your seceded State because they are no longer part of the “United States” (FAA) and all-new treaties will have to be signed in order to travel in or out of your State.”

    Well, we wouldn’t want O-bomber to break a f*cking finger signing another treaty now would we? He must be all tuckered out signing the NDAA that gives the U.S. government to arrest any citizen on suspicion and hold them indefinitely without a trial and oh….were those weapons of mass destruction ever found?

    “If you’re thinking of seceding… gas and other natural resources will be going at a faster-than-the-speed-of-light rate so drag out the mule, the horse, or the dog sled to carry you and your family from point A to point B… because gas ain’t gonna get you there.”

    Well, it looks like everyone is going to have to start doing this anyways, or turning to electric, hydrogen, or bio-diesel vehicles in the near future.

    We’ve hit peak oil. The last remains of oil in the world are in Iran. No one in the world is buying O-bombers LIES that “Oh, maybe Iran might be building a nuclear weapons one day, so we have to go in there and prevent them now.”

    If the U.S. invades Iran, plastic crap on the shelves of Wal-Mart won’t be the only thing you will see coming from China anymore. Watch for the big mushroom cloud rising into the air where Washington, D.C. used to be. Then, scratch your head and wonder if your own country with hundreds of nukes isn’t more of a threat to the planet than the nation of Iran which doesn’t have a single nuke.

    It’s going to be wonderful when everyone stops putting their money into the pockets of the psychopathic robber barons that control the petroleum industry. If everyone switched to electric cars, we might even slow global warming down.

    “If you’re thinking of seceding… and you have a special-needs family member, get used to taking care of the individual 24/7 because without payment for services you are SOL.”

    HAH!

    Every country in the metric using world has single payer health care for it’s citizens. Canada has a population smaller than California, and somehow it manages. Cuba is a country of crushing poverty and privation, but they have a top-notch health care system for their citizens. It’s only the United States, along with the third world countries that have a private for profit health care system.

    The federal government says it has ‘no money’ for single-payer health care, even though that money is whipped up on a printing press and it based on nothing. ‘No money for health care’, but TRILLIONS for stealth bombers, predator drones, a militarized Police force, and every other weapon of death and destruction to kill women and children overseas and a militarized Police force to keep your own citizens in line with riot clubs, pepper spray, warrantless wiretaps, fusion centres, and so on.

    if and when a state secedes, they can easily pay for a single-payer health care system by simply depriving the Federal government of the tax dollars they need to shovel into the pockets of defence contractors, to keep the illegal wars of occupation going.

    “If you’re thinking of seceding… and you like the fact that your kids can get a nearly-free education, kiss that goodbye as well. Since most public schools and colleges depend on federal grants and other federal funding to stay functioning, that too will no longer exist.”

    Public schools, to my knowledge, are municipally funded. Since public schools are quickly becoming no better than the ‘Houses of Correction’ where slaves were punished in the Antediluvian south, it’s probably a good thing that most parents are homeschooling their children anyways. You are aware that the Police are being called into public schools to handcuff and taser children for such minor infractions as doodling on their desks or giving an inappropriate answer, don’t you?

    Colleges are funded at the State level. Again, when a state secedes, then the state becomes the new Federal. When a state secedes it will have 100% of their own taxpayer’s money to distribute as it sees fit, so it could certainly re-invest that money into it’s own infrastructure and educational system. Fifty percent of an American’s Federal tax dollars are poured down the drain in the form of military spending. That’s a lot of money that can be redistributed into more useful things when the states secede and reallocate their financial resources to more useful and productive means.

    “Maybe your local church will voluntarily teach your children the foundation of reading, writing, and arithmetic’s; not to mention, chemistry, physics, biology, science, algebra, geometry, trigonometry, geography, etc. ”

    Hmm, in terms of academic performance the United States consistently scores close to the bottom in comparison with every other country. Why is that? How can it be that a smaller, poorer country such as oh, Cuba can consistently have smarter children than the ones coming out of the United States? How is it that George W. Bush could graduate from Yale, or Mitt Romney could run for President when he didn’t know why you couldn’t open the windows on a plane in mid flight?

    Have you heard of John Taylor Gotto? He won the Teacher of the Year award in New York State as well as New York City. He quit immediately afterwards, saying ‘he didn’t want to damage children’s minds anymore’. The current school system in the United States has been deliberately developed for indoctrination, not education. It has been designed to prepare children for a future as factory workers, secretaries, office clerks and other meaningless drone jobs.

    “Ah heck, who needs all those extra classes anyway? Oh yeah… doctors, nurses, surveyors, civil engineers (road and bridge builders, highway system manufacturers, etc.), computer engineers, teachers, psychologists, psychiatrists, mechanics, pharmacists, water treatment plant operators, electricians (i.e., HVAC repairmen) and farmers (yes, those too), among several other professions.”

    Ah yes, there is a dreadful shortage of people like that in the United States isn’t there? Perhaps this is why so many of these skilled workers are imported from other countries such as, you know, the ones where the Government actually invests in their educational system, infrastructure, and social safety net.

    Ok, sure, mechanics and electricians you can find in the states. Typically these guys learn that trade as an apprentice. I was referring to my friends in Canada with PhD’s in Physics, who work in the Department of Defence for the U.S. military. Yep that’s right, your Government is hiring foreign scientists to work at the highest levels of national defence, and somehow not expecting them to sabotage the system so they can illegally invade foreign countries.

    “Into the Pentecostal or Mormon religions? Okay, doesn’t really matter. If your State secedes, you might be mandated to prescribe to one certain religion. ”

    It’s going to be this way anyways, if the Christian right have their way. It would have probably been like this if Mitt Romney had been elected instead of Obama.

    “Hope you have free Wednesday nights and Sundays…oh wait a minute, yeah – you’ll have plenty of available time because you really won’t have anything else to do.”

    Free Wednesday nights and Sunday night for what? You haven’t really stated why having Wednesday nights and Sundays off would be important. However, if your basic needs are taken care of, then what exactly would the problem be with having lots of spare time to yourself? The idea that we have to be wage slaves to make outrageous profits for some factory owner only started in the Industrial revolution, and 99% of us have been miserable since.

    “If you’re thinking of seceding… your governor becomes your Commander in Chief. Since he will no longer answer to anyone higher than himself, if he decides that you can no longer own Chihuahuas, eat salt (Oh…wait, salt isn’t manufactured in every State so you might not have that anyway), smoke cigarettes, or drink moonshine (because we all know that Budweiser does not originate in every single State), then you are SOL.”

    So what? If you don’t separate, your Commander in Chief can continue his policy of illegal wars, illegal wiretapping, militarizing the Police, ‘No-knock’ searches, indefinite detention, martial law, NDAA, The Patriot Act, suppression of your rights, the poisoning of your water (fluoride), food (GMOs), and air (chemtrails). Your Commander in Chief could also invade Iran and feel the immediate repercussion of a declaration of war from China and Russia.

    The things that I have listed above are genuine. The things you propose are hypothetical. No one would ban Chihuahuas but some places are banning pit bulls, banning salt makes no sense since like food and water you need it to survive, cigarettes are unhealthy, though like marijuana they are a popular item on the black market everywhere. Moonshine is illegal everywhere, and available everywhere. Budweiser tastes like crap, and it’s the company that funds the federal Presidential ‘debates’ that are scripted, it would be a good thing if they went bankrupt. Also, you have to point out why a corporation would suddenly stop shipping their product to a state which becomes it’s own country. I can buy Budweiser in Canada, although there are obviously thousands of better tasting beers I can drink. Beer is also another thing which is easy to make at home.

    “Like entertainment? Hope you enjoy local plays and bands, church choirs, and long walks in parks* (*which isn’t half-bad if I must say so myself). If you’re thinking of seceding, all those blockbuster films won’t be coming to your State because it is no longer part of the United States (trade restrictions). ”

    Hmm, except all of those films coming out of Hollywood are crap anyways. (unless California also secedes, since they are one of the 31 states that wants to separate from the Feds). Entertainment is yet another thing that would benefit by being local. Then, it becomes ‘culture’. Americans spend too much time being entertained anyways. They are the best entertained, and the LEAST educated people on earth. Don’t believe me? Mitt Romney. Sarah Palin. George W. Bush. How did these people even get into such high positions of power?

    There’s also the fact that you can download practically any movie you want for free on the internet…which can’t be stopped. Remember SOPA? There is no way the Government could enforce that. It’s like trying to keep your battleship floating by threatening the ocean with your guns.

    “Furthermore, since some bands might just be too “Yankee” for a State, or simply cannot make it to your State because of the lack of transportation services (see paragraph G), then you won’t be listening to your favorite singer or group.”

    Really? Not even on our own record players or mp3s? Well, assuming that this band is not part of the 31 states that want to secede, and are for some reason, barred from entering into your seceded state (in the same way Canadian bands are prohibited from entering the USA I suppose), then you can simply go see them in the state where they are performing, or better yet just watch a local band.

    “Hope you like Brown! See what “Brown” can do for you because hopefully, if your State is legally allowed to send parcels and other mail items, UPS will become the one and only primary mail server for ALL your mailing needs… because the US Postal Service won’t be… anymore.”

    Hmm, so an international shipping company will suddenly decide that it will pull out of a state where they have been doing profitable business, mainly because the CEOs are so darned patriotic to the gang of criminal psychopaths in Washington that they would be willing to see their profits drop? Not likely. Also, what’s to stop a new state from starting their own Postal service? Why would the U.S. postal service (nearly extinct BTW) refuse an envelope, merely because it comes from the ‘Republic of Texas’? Has any government in history ever boycotted mail from a foreign country, ever?

    Got Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, disability or social security? Not anymore! Thanks to your State seceding from the United States, you and any other citizens receiving these federally-sponsored health and livelihood programs will no longer receive these essentials.

    Medicare, Medicaid, and food stamps are something that only exist in the United States. A single payer health care system would be ideal, affordable, and easy enough to implement. Food stamps are something that the new state could just print up for themselves, just like fiat currency. Disability and social security could also be funded by the state. Remember, there is no longer an expensive out of control military to soak up your tax dollars.

    “Hopefully your State has the fundamental resources to care for you because these services and programs will be obsolete.”

    Much like the U.S. Federal government itself.

    Got stocks, bonds, and a 401k? Not anymore! Because if your State secedes from the Nation, none of those US Dollar-affiliated financial sources will benefit you now or in the future.

    Wait a minute. If I live in Canada and I have stock in a U.S. corporation, I can still buy and sell that stock online. Why would location or nationality affect your ability to buy stock? U.S. bonds are a different matter. Cash them in now before the U.S. crashes into history’s rubbish bin. Obviously anyone who bought U.S. bonds that wanted to secede would be foolish, but since there is nothing to prevent anyone in any country from buying U.S. bonds, I can’t see why you couldn’t suddenly do this in a state that seceded.

    “Paying for that mortgage on that cushy double-wide or brick ranch home you bought? Not anymore! Since most mortgage loans are made by banking systems and your home is in a non-United States’ State, your friendly mortgage company will be calling in the loan on your home because it must be paid in full ( you know… those US dollars in your State aren’t going to be worth squat).”

    Well this might be tricky. Obviously bankers are the people who are REALLY in control of the country. Mitt Romney and Obama were both backed in their campaign by Goldman Sachs. The bankers that caused the 2008 crash and openly committed fraud are not in jail, while heroes like Bradley Matthews are rotting away for telling the truth. The banks got bailed out for losing the money that they lost through their own fault, while millions of Americans got evicted from their homes because these criminal scumbags were selling them sub-prime mortgages.

    There are about 15 vacant homes for every homeless person in the United States. American taxpayers sleep on the streets, freezing on park benches because some criminal scumbag banker has delusional fantasies of selling that empty house one day. These pigs will release their snarling thug dogs the Police to crack down on any homeless person that tries to move into one of these perfectly sound empty houses, despite Hurricane Sandy wiping so many houses out of existence.

    There has been some success with the Occupy movement helping people to get their foreclosed houses back, stop an eviction, or even just move into and squat an empty house. When fifty or more people sit in front of the house and lock arms, it’s difficult for the Police to move or arrest all of these people. Of course, these jack-booted thugs are now resorting to assault rifles and military tactics to remove evicted tenants from their homes. The wishes of those scumbag bankers must be obeyed by all slaves and peons after all.

    In the instance of a state separating, and a bank informing the home owner that the house will now be foreclosed on, the home owner has the option of telling the bank to ‘stuff it’, and just keeping the house as a squatter. Should the bank send in a Police force to try and evict that person from their home by force, they had better make sure that they have a branch within that newly seceded state. Otherwise, it will be seen as a military invasion by the United States, and handled accordingly.

    “If you and others do not pay your mortgage in full, you and all of those who do not will be personally responsible for the economic collapse of your community,”

    HAH HAH! Like the criminal banker Wall Street filth that crashed the world economy, and got bailed out and gave themselves bonuses instead of going to prison as they should have?

    “your State and all those other United States because nine times out of ten, your town, county and State gets a piece of the pie on land taxes, home taxes, vehicle taxes, etc. ”

    Except now the individual state gets 100%, and the Federal U.S. gets a big fat goose egg.

    “Speaking of vehicles, since your car or SUV doesn’t have any gasoline; you can probably park those babies and let the repo-man come pick them up as well.”

    No, push those pieces of crap to the scrap yard. The automotive age is over. If the United States doesn’t invade Iran, no more affordable gasoline and their ENTIRE economy collapses. If they DO invade Iran, then not only are they at war with thirteen countries but they are at war with China and Russia too. Good luck trying to send scumbag filth Police to act as the strongarm for scumbag filth bankers to evict people, or try to enforce any sort of border or law at all, if the U.S. goes to war with China and Russia on top of Iran, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria, etc.

    “So, let’s recap: If you’re thinking of seceding, you won’t have access to health care because you won’t have a dime worth spit to pay for those services. ”

    Because, you know, Canadians don’t have health care.

    “If you’re thinking of seceding, your children will grow up ignorant because public school systems will become a thing of the past (probably better anyway because they can be more easily manipulated as they grow older). ”

    It’s a little too late to worry about Americans growing up ignorant isn’t it? How many Americans could find Luxembourg on a map?. Also, consider Mitt Romney, Sarah Palin, George W. Bush, these brain dead doofuses were either President or in line to be President. Way to flaunt your brain power America!

    “If you’re thinking of seceding, many of you will probably parish”

    Do you mean ‘perish’ as in expire or die? A parish is a plot of property owned by a church.

    “because food and other usable items (ones that are available, that is) will not be safety-tested for consumption or personal (or professional) use.”

    Does that include the food you grow yourself? What about products such as medicines from other countries? Aren’t those safety-tested?

    “If you’re thinking of seceding, you won’t have a roof over your head because your mortgage company has called in your loan.”

    Unless you rent, or squat. However if your state secedes, who owns the land anyways? Are the banks going to send in predator drones to exterminate the loan defaulters? Will your seceded state’s military be ready to shoot to kill any Police from the U.S. that come across the border to evict loan defaulters? Would the Police think their lives would be worth risking just to keep a house empty?

    “If you’re thinking of seceding, you won’t be able to talk to Grandma or Grandpa in Iowa because you have no communications services. ”

    Apparently because the United States will be hard at work snipping all the wires that connect the states together, just to spite them. However, considering that these are owned by corporations, would they really have the authority to do this? Well, Obama did sign an executive order saying that the government can seize all methods of communication, along with all property, so assuming he has the manpower to do so, maybe he can.

    Though there is that wireless thing to worry about. Satellites don’t plummet from the sky on command, and don’t discriminate against who uses them based on nationality. Radio waves seem to keep working regardless of borders. The internet would keep working even if there was a nuclear war, which seems more likely every day.

    “But that’s okay, since your State has seceded; it is finally free and liberated from the evils of a “socialistic” society. Your State FINALLY has its country back! Thank God! L”

    Capitalism is killing the planet. It’s over. Socialism is the way of the future. There is no viable alternative. We can’t afford a system where corrupt politicians are manipulated by psychopathic Oligarchs who care for nothing but absolute power and greed.

  29. Oh, here is a list of the states that want to separate. Hopefully the list will grow as the Police state increases.

    Alabama
    Arizona
    Arkansas
    California
    Colorado
    Delaware
    Florida
    Georgia
    Indiana
    Kansas
    Kentucky
    Louisiana
    Michigan
    Mississippi
    Missouri
    Montana
    Nebraska
    Nevada
    New Jersey
    New York
    North Carolina
    North Dakota
    Oklahoma
    Pennsylvania
    South Carolina
    South Dakota
    Tennessee
    Texas
    Utah
    West Virginia
    Wyoming

  30. The National Guard is state funded and controlled. They would still exist with what they have, minus the help from the Fed Govt.

  31. You forgot a huge reason. If you secede, the treaties that were drafted by the government with the Native Americans become void. That means the land they will be living upon belongs to the Native Americans again.

  32. Well said Carol, you are my Heroin of the month!!!!!

  33. thank you for this! so maybe now those with knee jerk reactions will actually think before they open mouth and insert foot…grammer nazi time: perish not parish

  34. None of the above ‘problems’ are intractable, and given any state in question should be issued not only its chunk of the public debt, but it’s chunk of all federal assets (such as everything from F-16s to M-1 Abrams) defense really isn’t a big deal. I’ll bet most of those National Guard members would be happy to join the new national army of Texas. And all of that tax money previously going to the feds? That’ll prop up the state quite nicely. I’ve worked for the federal government, and it IS just as inefficient as everybody thinks it is. In addition, if somebody wants to live in “Jesusland” then let them.

    I’m a libertarian-leaning Democrat, and I’m happy in the US. If others want to go, let them. Do not act as though the US is eternal; Balkanization will likely occur within my lifetime.. indeed the stress fractures are already showing.

  35. perfect – the people who want to secede are the typical UNEDUCATED / UNDER-EDUCATED voters who only watch FAUX “news”… let ‘em go! Buh bye!!!

  36. well, I have to say that the states who secede will already have their ducks in a row. each state is a sovereign state. there will likely be a new union as well. Money might be an issue. it might not be. all thsoe govt programs can have the monies diverted back to their own states, because those states also contribute. They will likely have their military in place. it is not as if the states, should they decide to truly pursue secession, won’t have their ducks in a row. They will have everything set up first. the states who stay back will be highly affected as well, because they will have to travel THROUGH the seceded ones for commerce as well. All the stores can stay put, just as they are now. Walmart operates in other countries, it would do just fine where they are. it will NOT be as bad as you make out. they will not be “going back to the past”. they will be reducing the amount that the govt interferes with their lives.

  37. First, let me clarify: I am not a secessionist, but the points you’ve made here Ma’am, simply don’t hold much water. Personally, I think there is no real chance of any State leaving the Union. But if they did, I believe as you do, that it would be a disaster for them and the USA. The reasons for this have nothing to do with your reasons, however. In fact, I think you are wrong on just about every bullet point you have listed. The number one reason it’s a bad idea, is that it will cause the US Dollar to lose a lot of value for everyone, not just the State in question. Currency is backed by faith. In other words, its’ value depends on the confidence of the spender that it will be honored, and how much it will be honored. In other words, the first question that gets asked will be “will they print their own money, and if so what’s the exchange rate?” Any leader with an ounce of sense would keep the US Dollar as legal tender until everything else is stabilized, and maybe even then. In reading your bullet points it seems to me you apparently don’t get that changing nationality doesn’t render your previous currency null and void, nor empty your bank accounts. Plenty of people have money in foreign banks and currencies. Even after a new currency is issued, it doesn’t mean the US dollar wouldn’t be used for trade. The second question is “what about trade and travel”? The short term answer is, that until someone is posted on every road into and out of the State, there are no effective restrictions at the governmental level. Individual companies might suspend trade, but likely not for long (money talks, and until the US currency is replaced, it will continue to be the US Dollar, these companies are already required by US law to accept). The long term answer is that sooner or later they will begin monitoring traffic in and out of the State, but it is never likely to be completely cut off. Nothing was set up to enable that to happen. A lot of States have communities so close together trade restrictions would be impossible to enforce between them. Moreover, neither side has a vested interest in hindering trade, and even if they did, all the new State would have to do is sign NAFTA, and any such would go away. Something to remember is that there are already established proven, stable, democratic governments in every State. And every State is already used to dealing with the others, their politics, and interstate trade. These are not amateurs fresh from a revolution, nor are they warlords having to learn about the rule of law instead of might-makes-right. Assuming they were serious about secession (which the States in question are not, just a few yahoos among their citizenry, who probably haven’t thought it through), they wouldn’t submit a petition of any sort to the President. They would work out they trade ramifications, then announce they were withdrawing from the Union, and what if any policy changes they planned to make. The first priority for them would be stabilizing trade, and keeping goods and services rolling in (and out). For that, they would almost certainly have talked to the State Department first. It wouldn’t be a spur of the moment thing. Hotheads are not very common in politics these days. Although they are no less prevalent among the general citizenry.
    A. First, up, since most goods and services are provided by multi-national corporations, this won’t actually be a problem for a while. Granted without trade treaties, theoretically it would be. But it isn’t like anyone is going to be stationed at every new border crossing to stop commercial traffic. That will take a long time to set up, and may be forgone entirely, as the Union negotiates to bring them back in. So since, Walmart is going to want to keep making profit, regardless of political concerns, and no one in the State(s) is going to tell them no (wanting their products), this is silly. Not that it would be hard to create those trade treaties you’re talking about anyway, no one would have a vested interest in drawing that process out. It is also relevant that all the States were petitions have been started have very long borders to close, making doing so rather difficult for either side, so NAFTA would likely be extended to these former States as well, simply to keep border control costs down. They might even sing a military alliance to keep their military expenditures down, who knows?
    B. Actually, to block off access to satellites they would have to swap to a frequency range that isn’t used, so getting access isn’t all that hard. Just ask anyone who has ever pirated cable. And the FTC (Federal Trade Commission) has little to do with it, perhaps you meant the FCC? Regardless, there is internet access in Afghanistan, Zimbabwe, Uruguay, Sri Lanka, etc. And even the areas of the world where it is limited, it is limited mostly due to the poor infrastructure present. Obviously, this is not an issue in the prospective former States. Also bear in mind a lot of that stuff travels by hardlines, and those cross State lines. While they can be cut, what company is going to refuse US currency until they are forced to? As for rabbit ears, there are plenty of those at junkyards, etc. they can make due. TV went digital fairly recently, the equipment both to broadcast and to receive those broadcasts can still be found, it just isn’t being used here in the US. A lot of networks and stations sold that stuff to other companies in other countries, and other countries also manufacture it all. Of course, that doesn’t mean the State in question can’t do so too.
    C. This argument has some merit, but not as much as you think. There are States that receive more from the Federal government than they pay out in taxes, but it goes the other way too. The money spent to help with disasters, etc. comes from the residents of those States originally (although it isn’t tracked separately once it goes Federal). For example: Texas is the State most fond of the idea of independence, they pay out one dollar in Federal taxes for every 94 cents they get back in benefits. Saving up for disasters isn’t just done at the Federal level. Most States do that too (not that it usually stops them from asking for Federal aid, but that is another matter). You are correct that all Federal military bases could well be shut down. But that is not necessarily going to happen. A lot of military bases are where they are for political reasons that will have changed, so they might be shut down. Few are where they are to defend the US after all. Most are located where it was advantageous, not strategic. In other words, Mountain Home AFB (for example) isn’t where it is, because the Air Force thinks Idaho is at risk for an air attack; it is where it is, because southern Idaho is perfect for their training needs. And given that a lot of the States where people are making noise about secession are very conservative States who are fond of the military, they are unlikely to give them the boot in a hurry. More likely, they will work out a quick arrangement to let them stay in many cases, for varying time periods. We have a lot of bases inside foreign territory already, after all, so it is far from unthinkable. Inevitably, some military bases would be shut down, but others might remain open indefinitely. As for National Guardsmen, clearly you don’t know much about them. Those are State-level militias essentially, occasionally hired out to the Federal government for their use (this is referred to as going on Title 10 Orders), which is why they are required to maintain standards-compatibility with the US Army. They can’t be forced to relocate as you described. In fact, since the US military is an all-volunteer force, the members can leave the service if they want (although it is strongly discouraged). And since the weapons and equipment of these units belong to the State, they remain as effective a military force as they always were, although States rarely have all their own defense needs covered therein, who is going to invade Nebraska? As a result, you’ll find the States a lot less crippled in terms of disaster response than you imagine (depending on the scale of the disaster, of course). And even then, remember how much disaster relief the US sends overseas already! And by the way, there is no such word as “secessionary”, you should probably substitute “secessionist”.
    D. Yes, many State prisons are underwritten by the Federal Government, but again, let’s not forget that the Federal Government gets its’ funding from the States, so some of that can be offset with a new tax code within the (hypothetical) new country. As for Federal prisoners, more likely, they will transfer them to new facilities in States that remain in the Union. If they broke Federal laws that the people of the State disagree with, then the Independent State in question may not even care if they are released. But assuming they do, they can always deport the guys, transfer them to a facility they can fund, or even shoot them (not that I’m advocating mass executions)!
    E. New medicines, chemicals, food items, etc. wouldn’t be guaranteed by the FDA, but the old ones aren’t suddenly going to turn radioactive or become unaccountably tainted with Ebola. The ones already tested and approved are not suddenly going to be useless. And the idea that any new items wouldn’t be traded across the border is a big assumption with no plausibility! As for locally created foodstuffs, etc., those can be tested by a new State agency just as efficiently. Bear in mind that a lot of secessionists don’t think the FDA is doing right by the public anyway, so this one won’t have as much weight as it should in the court of public opinion…
    F. Actually, it wouldn’t be the first time multiple countries used the same currency, just look at the Euro. And any nation that replaces an old currency almost without exception, lets people trade in the old for the new, so the economy doesn’t collapse. And US currency would still be useful for purchasing goods and services from across the former State line, as soon as a quick trade agreement is worked out. They are likely to leave things as is for the most part, until they have all the details worked out of any changes; and corporations outside the Independent State are still going to accept their US currency unless forced to do otherwise. Greed will compel them, it always does. As for being FDIC insured, that is true, but there are a few caveats. First, FDIC insurance was mostly put into place to offset the personal losses from bank robberies (which used to be very common). That crime is far less common now, and is usually unsuccessful when it does happen. And why would criminals go out of the way to hit a non-FDIC bank? It’s the same amount of money either way from their perspective. And second, since the FDIC gets its’ money from the States (or at least the people and business therein), it wouldn’t be that hard to set up a State-level version using the increased State taxes that will already be required for other things.
    G. Okay, now here is a valid point of sorts, most States are far from self-sufficient in terms of manufactured goods and textiles. That being said, there is still the foreign trade option, since that is how the US gets its’ own shortages filled anyway. And for that matter, there will be a number of jobs that will need to be replaced with all the other changes. So things may be dicey on some items for a while, but it won’t necessarily persist long. As for the stores, again, without anyone forcing them not to ship goods to their outlets or close them down, they will continue to do so until they have to do otherwise legally or financially.
    H. Again, this is a valid concern, in that some version of US Customs would have to be created from scratch. But for the short term, it would likely be left unrestricted until particular laws were created. Technically, you are right that new treaties would be called for, but that won’t be as hard to work out as you think. Especially for the short-term, they would likely make simple arrangements with the US State Department that trade and travel wouldn’t be restricted for a particular period of time, with options to renew that agreement. It isn’t as if we are a dealing with a corrupt foreign government that is just looking to draw out the negotiations to get concessions. Neither side would have a vested interest in that sort of chicanery, at least for a while. The US wouldn’t want to create hard feelings since we would want to draw the new nation back into the Union, and the State itself wouldn’t want to torpedo their own economy by closing their borders to the US. It is a complicated issue in theory, but not as much in practice. I don’t know if you mean literal Frequent Flyers, of if that was a euphemism. As for RTX, they handle travel to all sorts of destinations, adapting from one classification to another wouldn’t take long. Greyhound already has travel routes into Mexico and Canada, why not the Sovereign Republic of Wisconsin? Amtrak and the airlines wouldn’t take long to get on board either, money is money.
    I. Yes, this is a concern. Fuel would have to be imported into most States, but that is already true for the same States while in the Union (and most foreign countries too). Most manage to prosper anyway. Barring punishing tariffs for goods crossing the border, that isn’t likely to be a major issue, at least not for long.
    J. [Again, this assumes that people will instantly run out of money and wouldn’t be paid more. This is exaggerated, there would be problems, certainly, but not as many as all this implies. It would take time to create a new currency to use; time which could be used to work out things like free trade agreements (or joining NAFTA, at least for a while), travel rules and restrictions, etc. And most special-needs family members are already cared for by their families, since most can’t afford to do otherwise.
    K. Yeah… you obviously think the money the Federal Government puts into things is summoned out of thin air; let me correct that. Yes, the Federal Government does underwrite the failing education system in the US. But again, they do so from taxes on the income and businesses of the States. The money that was going to the Federal Government from that State could then be re-routed to that State’s government, which could then turn around and reroute it to programs that need it. Wow, now all of a sudden, the public schools aren’t dependent on being in the Union! It’s like magic! And for my next trick I could point out that private schools would continue to exist. In other words, rather than paying for schooling through taxes, it could be turned into a consumer-driven business… Either way, we have to pay for it, but this way, we’d get rid of all the layers of bureaucracy micromanaging it to death. Granted, some taxes would have to be assessed and applied still to let the poorer families send their kids off to learn too, but it is still a workable plan for tax-reduction. And it isn’t like either the school buildings already in existence or the teachers working in them are instantly gone. If they are willing to work for the money, how many will care who pays them? Not many, I think. In fact, they could probably do a much better job without the DOE’s restrictions, and might even actually start getting pay increases, instead of reductions. Private schools, after all, would have a vested interest in the quality of the education they provide. And then there is home-schooling, which plenty of parents do and do well.
    L. Hmm… this one worries me more than the others, some shady things have been done in the name of religion. However, I really doubt anything of the sort would happen anytime soon. It would take them a while to feel confident enough and to fanaticize enough. For some years, they will have bigger problems just solving the practical issues of independence to want to go that far beyond it. And that still wouldn’t stop people who didn’t like it from simply leaving the State. The US could fairly grant them asylum from religious persecution, and so can a lot of other countries. I am not a religious person, but I know enough people who are to not assume the worst about them, their motives, or their methods without just cause. Faith doesn’t make them tyrannical monsters. The people who built this country were Christians too, they didn’t do such a bad job.
    M. Again, you obviously aren’t that familiar with State-level institutions. Apparently you don’t know that every State in the Union has a Constitution of its’ own, usually modeled closely on the US Constitution. These are not automatically on the chopping block because of secession. Any Governor/President who tried to make such a blatant grab for power would be dealt with just like a President of the US who did, simply on a smaller scale. Every State has a two-branch Legislature to craft and remove State laws, this would likely continue, as no one wants a tyranny. And these are well-established organizations with experienced politicians, not rank amateurs or former warlords. A lot of new nations have to deal with the latter two on top of deep-seated ethnic rivalries, no starting economy, poor education, and minimal infrastructure; this is why so many fail. Our States are an entirely different animal, all things considered. Oh, and by the way, it isn’t hard to manufacture salt. It’s not made from anything exotic, and can be found naturally in many places.
    N. Okay, again we see the assumption of instant trade restrictions. Those don’t just mystically appear from nowhere. They need to be passed into law and enforced. And if they were actually serious about creating a new nation, it isn’t reasonable to assume the politicians in the former State would fail to anticipate and work out the details of trade promptly. These people are not new to running a government. That being said, how do you think movie DVDs reach the public in say, India, before they do here? Why is it that you can find almost any song for free or for minimal cost on the internet? And again you are assuming trade restrictions would be in place (and more importantly enforced swiftly) for a long time. What, all the money (already converted to US Dollars, imagine that!) in our electronic accounts in (US) banks suddenly is no longer going to be accepted as legal tender in the US? And of course this assumes there’s no local or regional bands of any quality, which isn’t going to be true anywhere. And it also assumes that the famous and popular singers and groups don’t have homes in any State that might secede, which also isn’t true. And all of these assumption ignore the fact that a lot of people already have the CD’s, DVD’s, etc. Even with trade restrictions there are going to be a lot of bootleg copies made, and then the problem still goes away.
    O. Yeah, the US Postal Service pays for itself. There is no reason it couldn’t be replaced promptly by an identical organization using the same facilities, and employing the recently unemployed USPS workers in the State, in the same capacities, for the same wages, working in the same manner. Since it pays for itself, there’s no reason it couldn’t continue to do so in its’ new guise. And reinstating the other carriers like FedEx wouldn’t be any slower than any other trade concerns. For your edification, FedEx and all the rest deal with foreign shipping all the time. Converting how a location they are already servicing is handled to the manner of a foreign facility isn’t that hard. I know, I’ve seen some of their foreign facilities.
    P. And again, these programs can be handled at the State level just as well, assuming our prospective new nation feels like recreating them, they could even work in the same way. Medicare never covered everything that was needed anyway, which is why they also created Medicaid. There is no reason the Independent State government couldn’t create a single program to cover the same things using the funds no longer being sent to the Federal Government. The same is true for food stamps, disability, welfare, etc. And Social Security falls into that too. Heck, it was already going bankrupt, why not start over from scratch?
    Q. Nonsense, there are a lot of foreign investments into US businesses. And bonds are available to anyone who wants to pay for them and usable by anyone who owns them regardless of nationality. Neither are necessarily forfeit due to secession. The same is true of a 401K, which is a kind of long-term savings account, if you think about it. No one’s assets are automatically lost because of a change of nationality. I don’t know where you got that idea, but it simply doesn’t work that way.
    R. Not even close Ma’am. Firstly, changing nationality doesn’t alter or void the financial agreements already in place. So those loans and mortgage payments continue to be due at the same time, in the same amounts; our banks give loans to foreigners with good credit all the time too. And the US money in the seceding State isn’t suddenly worthless because it was in the State that seceded. As long as the State continues to use it as legal tender, it remains such in the State, and nothing done in the Independent State affects whether it will be honored as legal tender in the US. By US federal law, US currency is legal tender for all debts public and private, even if the person using it in the US isn’t a US citizen. Just ask any foreigner you chance to meet whether they can use US money to get what they need here.
    So, I’m not going to beat a dead horse here. Obviously your heart is in the right place, but you don’t really understand the laws and government of this country. There is no shame in that, we all have to learn sometime. There is shame in not correcting that however. Your overall point that secession is a bad idea, is absolutely correct, and I applaud that you were willing to put yourself through all this trouble over this just to set some people straight. It shows you care, and that is always the right first step. However, you are wrong on the details.

    Sorry if I’m too blunt, but I thought I should say something, and since I had nothing better to do… sadly enough.

  38. You forget the Fed government gets everything from the states. IF Texas (for example ) seceeded then they would have no trouble supporting themselves. Also other countries would trade with the states just as easily as with the USA simply because it is in their best interest. The main purpose in the secussion talks is to slow down the Fed government spending and control. Now i understand the liberals want bigger government but what happens if all the people who pay tax stop? Then those bludgers on the left who want free hand outs will actually have to go and work for aliving. hmmm yep the olden days were better because people took responsability for their own actions and didn’t have someone else to blame.

  39. So basically to sum it all up. We’ve let our government control enough so that we are reliant upon it for even the most basic of needs. Im no politico, however I do believe there needs to be some fat trimmed from the Fed. Most of Fed grand money and funding goes to pay for deadbeats that are non contributing members of society anyhow. Would you let a crack head come.to your house and borrow your car? Then why do we continue to reward people who have made horrible life choices with the means to continue this lifestyle? Because the Fed forces you to!

  40. In other words the federal government has way too much power?? Is that what you’re saying?? If so, you certainly made your point. Great job!!

  41. I think this was well written piece of information; I agree that any state that wants to leave, let them go; they are only hurting themselves!

  42. you did not think this out very well… It would just become another country – we deal with other countries every day.

    a) can be resolved with a trade agreement, how the hell do you think we get goods from other countries?
    b) most HDTV is OTA and does not require celestial transmissions. Private companies own the sats in the sky and im sure dish network would be happy to keep customers from other states. In europe (even before the EU) they had sat tv
    c) the national guard is made up of state guards, most of those folks are local. the funding sent to the fed to fund fema can be used for local EOMs
    d)if local money stays local it can be used for those things, federal prisoners will be returned to whatever constitutes the rest of the US. yeah your police dept got some spiffy new M4 rifles from the stimulus program but that was borrowed money
    e) all states have a state health agency which would take over food/drug testing – most of our states are larger than most european countries and they do just fine.
    f) lots of countries use united states currency – this doesnt change, it doesnt make the money worthless. there will be plenty of people willing to exchange it for a new currency or goods.
    g)again – trade agreements and local distributors
    h)you have heard of international flight right? thats what it means… a flight going to/from another country
    i)only effects states without local refining capability and the rest of them can buy it similar to countries where they dont have local resources.
    j)not sure how you think you wont be able to provide payment for services, there will be money and there will be goods, people trade those for services.
    k) federal grants make up only a small portion of funds and federal money is taken from federal taxes which you wont need to pay anymore
    l) then that is up to the (re)founders of that state and that states constitution, dont like it? immigrate
    m) how is that different from what people like bloomberg are doing?
    n) ever heard of a world tour?
    o) ever heard of fedex? dhl? china air? there are many international shipping companies and the postal service is about to go out of business anyway
    p)the money for those programs are taken from income taxes and then given back to the states local health/work programs to distribute after a nice chunk of it is taken off the top for the fed bureaucrats – we would save money. in most situations the federal .gov does not directly distribute those funds to people.
    q) again… i dont think you understand that we will not be living in an isolated prison state. there are many people who trade in international stocks on a very daily basis
    r) they would move the mortgage to a local branch or sell the debt to another bank in that state.

  43. completely misguided bullshit..

  44. …… JUST GREAT ………..

  45. I would like to see the reaction of the states that want to secede if Obama were to approve their applications. They would pee their pants. LMAO

  46. I love how these crackpots always find some whacked out way that they can make their stupid ideas work. “If we just do this..this…and this, and hold and expression like this and if the planets are in the proper alignment them we wont have to live with the terrible implications of our ill conceived idea” lol. Go ahead & secede then, I’m sure that would be much easier than sticking around and making the effort to fix the problems like the rest of us, we don’t need you anyway….oh wait, I forgot….I live in one of those states :( never mind……

  47. While I’m not a supporter of secession, I find THIS line – “If you’re thinking of seceding, your children will grow up ignorant because public school systems will become a thing of the past” – to be rather inaccurate. There are plenty of children who are schooled in private schools and as home educated students who are not ignorant, nor are they less educated than those students who are publicly educated. Not every family that chooses an education alternative to public school is doing so for reasons related to religion. Also, just because someone is educated in the public schools doesn’t mean that they are not ignorant.

    There are plenty of students who do not attend public schools who go on to become doctors, lawyers, scientists, etc. There are also plenty of students who have attended public schools who don’t utilize the public education courses that are offered/required in their lives after high school.

    I also didn’t agree with some other things in your list, but I won’t go into them, as they didn’t hit a nerve quite like the education item in your recap.

  48. This is awesome! Thank you!

  49. loved it… I will share this as much as possible.

  50. Wow… thanks for all your feedback guys. Sorry about a couple of “typos”…I’ll be sure to correct those. But, all in all, the whole point of this parody post – meant to interject comedy into what some folks are getting way too crazy about, does have its points. I never claimed to be a legal writer, but there are a lot of thoughts herein to make folks think … and re-think certain crazy ideologies. As for me, I believe in unity and to disparage our fellow countrymen and women because of staunch prejudices is really sad. We should be working toward forming a “more perfect” union, not dismantling it. Just sayin’

  51. HA. I laugh at everything in this article. He has it all backwards. The fed is not there without the states. Everything in the state would be owned by that state. Federal prisoners would be transferred to other federal prisons or executed. Unless all broadcasting was miraculously changed overnight they’ed still receive signals. They’d get their food the same way they get it today. etc. This is just some fools attempt to scare people out of seceding. lol

  52. So, was the Kool-aid easy to swallow?

    All of your points are based on the assumption that the state would not provide any of these services… that is very flawed logic… very flawed. Trade would be established with foreign nations… Postage services would be reestablished quickly… Schools would be funded differently, either by the state, county, or privately.

    The dollar would be no more worthless than a Euro. Somebody would provide an exchange service. Same goes with mortgages, 401(k)’s, stocks & bonds.

    Life would be inconvenienced for a while, but would quickly return to some semblance of normal.

  53. I also want to point out, too, that I truly appreciate the blog-length comments I received. Good to know that many of you are reading and thinking. :)

  54. I just love how the secessionist feel that this transition will come together so smoothly for them. It’s just all so easy when big bad government is removed from the picture. Good luck!

  55. Obviously! I believe more than you! Im not in favor of this secede thing, but one thing I know its that you are just making things up. For example, you forgot to mention, that Texas (who started this movement) is the 15th largest economy in the world, having a big chances to make it on its own. It could become in a NEW COUNTRY, not a place without laws or 3rd world country alike place. I just have to say for last, for what I read here, everyone in these days can be a writer or blogger. Please inform yourself before posting again a ignorant blog like yours. Thanks!

  56. :) That would be “

      an

    NOT

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    ignorant blog…” Just sayin’

  57. you say that we wont get none of those things no more but what you are missing to see is if all 50 states (which there are now over 40) seceed then each state will still have there power to operate on to light the way because we get our power and generate it ourselves,and I am sure all the states will still work together (from all i have read and studied on all web sites about this…the states will still ship food to and froe, as for banks you will not be insured if your account is robbed, as for fed taxes hay I can live without paying that that will be more money in my pocket….so hay either way on how this thing turns out I could care less I am not the one who vote for Democrats and if you notice allot of states that voted democrats are also involved what will they do deport all 50 states :) we the people are tired of being taken advantage of the money we pay into the gov. should stay in our country I don’t see Russia, England, Afracia ect. sending us money I don’t see them helping us feeding our young… I am sorry to say it don’t matter who is in the White house we are in for a world of hurt and I don’t think our kids grandkids will ever get out of the hole we are in….

  58. My problem is that most of these petitions are being signed by people from other states. for instance i am in iowa and i was looking at the petition from iowa and out of 200 signatures 18 were from Iowa…… that says something..

  59. does not seem like the mexicans or other illegals are having a problem getting anything from the usa….

  60. spoken like a true democrat……..

  61. Anyone, and I do mean ANYONE who supports the idea of secession supports the idea of an America that was the America of “Strange Fruit” and anyone who denies that and denies that they are a racist too are bald faced liars and totally un-American.

    “Strange Fruit”

    Songwriters: WIGGINS, DWAYNE P. / PEARL, MAURICE / ALLAN, LEWIS

    “Southern trees bear a strange fruit,
    Blood on the leaves and blood at the root,
    Black bodies swinging in the southern breeze,
    Strange fruit hanging from the poplar trees.

    Pastoral scene of the gallant south,
    The bulging eyes and the twisted mouth,
    Scent of magnolias, sweet and fresh,
    Then the sudden smell of burning flesh.

    Here is fruit for the crows to pluck,
    For the rain to gather, for the wind to suck,
    For the sun to rot, for the trees to drop,
    Here is a strange and bitter crop.”

  62. Thanks for offering your thoughts, Eric. I wish more would see the lunacy and complete disregard for the US Constitution in supporting any form of secession. I digress, however. There is more ignorance than I could even begin to imagine.

  63. These so called secessionists are disgusting! I mean they really make me sick! All of them! They are nothing but a would be lynch mob of racist, treasonous, America hating leaching maggots who serve the good of absolutely no one; not even themselves. Come on, they want to leave America because it had the audacity to reelect a black president who believes in full gender equality and supports the right of people to love who they choose? They regard America as finally practicing what it’s always preached as being the end of America? This should offend anyone who actually loves this country; who really believes in it, and what it stands for. These so secessionists are a cancer to the country for their mere toxic presence always has and always will do nothing more than make all of America sick!

  64. Here’s how you stop all of this secessionist nonsense in its tracks. All we have to do is say that any such petition constitutes a renouncing of one’s American citizenship (which of course it is). At that point all benefits of American citizenship such as Social Security, Medicare, equal protection under the law, etc; will no longer apply to those who bring forth these petitions since they will no longer be citizens of the United States. At that point they will be legally classified as illegal aliens and will be able to be sent to any foreign land that will take them (assuming there are any) and which will allow them to become citizens of that particular republic. Simple solution to a simple problem people for to secede is to renounce (one’s American citizenship).

  65. All these Conservative pundits lamenting the loss of “traditional” America ( what they really mean is white America) can go to hell for what they’re mourning was never really America at all; it was a perverted, twisted, obscene version of America; an America of profound and disgusting self righteous hypocrisy. To their twisted version of “traditional” America I say good riddance for its demise is long overdue.

    The Far Right’s version of traditional America is to the demographically diverse United States what Vladimir Lenin’s embalmed corpse is to modern Russia; an dead relic of our bitter & brutal past kept on obscene display in the middle of our national living room. The reelection of President Obama has placed that corpse closer to its long delayed burial but the living cadavers of the Congress such as John Boehner and Mitch McConnell yet remain determined not only to keep America from burying this dead body of “traditional” America but are shoveling the dirt back into traditional America’s grave as fast as the rest of us are trying to dig it out.

    We must all endeavor to use bigger shovels and continue to dig the grave of the Far Right’s “traditional” America and once we finally put our Lenin’s corpse in the ground we must remain forever vigilant against those future Right Wingers who will be determined to dig it up and return America to its dark tyrannical days just like the Communists in Russia are now trying to keep the corpse of Lenin himself above ground and return Russia to the dark terrible days of the Soviet Union. Either we are going to be successful in burying them or they will be successful in burying us and with us will go the real America, the America of all the people, and in Lincoln’s words “last best hope on Earth.”

  66. CarolAnn, these so called secessionists are nothing more than racist traitors who use our flag the same way everyone uses toilet paper and that makes all of them doubly disgusting!

  67. Seccessionist states are unlikely to be totally sanctioned by the federal government. Most Americans will still identify Texans and Floridans(?) as being fellow americans. Even if they do not, south america is likely to attempt to get on good terms with the ‘new’ nations in their region, including, trade, assistance and infrastructure.
    I live in a small country, and we have access to all the goods you find in the US, because of trade, rather than manufacture.
    Seccessionist states are only in trouble if they are landlocked and the federal government refuses to trade with them or recognize them as valid states.

  68. I HAVE NEVER SEEN SO MANY FACT LESS IGNORANT COMMENTS MADE BY SO MANY FOOLS IN ONE PLACE.

    MY INTUITION TELLS ME THAT EACH OF THEM ARE TAKING EVERY PENNY THEY CAN FROM THE GOVERNMENT WHILE WHINING LIKE SPOILED BRATS IN THE SANDBOX AT THE SAME TIME.

    WE ARE LUCKY TO HAVE PRESIDENT OBAMA AND LUCKY HE WAS RE-ELECTED. IF PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO BE HERE THEN THEY CAN PACK AND GO – NO ONE IS STOPPING THEM AND THE COUNTRY WILL BE BETTER OFF WITHOUT THEIR HATRED, STUPIDITY AND PREJUDICE.

    THIS IS AN AMAZINGLY WELL WRITTEN THOROUGH INFORMATIVE PIECE – BRAVO ON A JOB WELL DONE CAROLANN !!

  69. You might be amused to know that, while my brother-in-law and others were marching on Washington, D. C. and Northern Virginia in order to make speeches about the importance of guns and to hail the Second Amendment, this article appeared. I’d say the article warning about the consequences of secession was the more creative effort. Bravissima, Carol.

  70. I truly appreciate all of your insightful feedback. It is nice knowing that folks are actually reading this material and honoring the literature that I have posted herein. That, in itself, warms my heart. Thank you! :)

  71. seems you struck a cord.

  72. This is the exact type of bullshit the FEDERAL government wants you to believe in and THIS woman is already believing it. The Federal government WANTS you to think you cant survive without it. this is exactly why we dont WANT big government. This has become a socialist way of thinking. ( Communism ) Yeah the states and the people in them are too fucking dumb to utilize their own radio waves. Once they wont govern the laws of those radio waves. Go ahead and Secede states. Show the Government you don’t “NEED” it.

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  74. Obama is a fair man and defends equal right’s. Whoever feel’s cheated and mistreated you are free to leave. We have no border’s to keep anyone in or out.He merely asks to spread some of the wealth around and it almost cost WWIII. The poor are the ones who suffer the most and our society has put them there. Take some of the blame for not keeping up with what goes on outside your little world. What did you do to help make this world a better place to live in?

  75. The original article is one of the most incorrect list I have ever seen. While I don’t think we need to pull out of the USA. Saying that we could not get food from any place other than our state is like saying the the USA doesn’t get food from other countries. In Texas we have a constitution that is enough for us. You act like having Christians in our state is bad, well we will take the Christians and you can have the the Atheist. We will keep the workers and you can keep the Occupy crowd. There are many many more things that the state can do better than the government as we know it.

    What we really need is a government that follows the Constitution and not make up their own rules by Executive Orders.

  76. These comments are hilarious.

  77. 1. Let me get this straight. You think trade will stop because a state decides to be independent from the United States again? You don’t think America is run by corporations that like to make money? You don’t think my state, Texas, would be able to trade with Mexico or continue using the harbors to ship goods? I suppose the United States has a world copyright on trade? Tell that to France.

    2, So you think all satellites are controlled by the government? You don’t think corporations own satellites? You don’t think there are satellites in space that were put there by other nations? Maybe you should do some research.

    3, Yeah, because FEMA has done such a bang-up job in the past. Katrina was pretty recent. Do you remember how utterly crap the United States government handled that? Seriously. Get real. Note also that the tiny nation of Cuba has been the humanitarian leader in this hemisphere, although the American media won’t report on it. When disaster strikes, there are many nations that help their neighbors.

    4. So you don’t think the states that secede will have control over their jails? You think they’re just going to let the prisoners out? What planet have you been living on? You’re still living with the insane myth of the almighty U. S. government as if no one else has any power. If a state secedes, they ARE the government.

    5. The FDA has been doing a lousy job of this anyway. They also don’t have the kind of teeth they once had. You seriously think they’re regularly testing food and drugs BEFORE something goes wrong? You’re living in a dreamworld. Any state that secedes will set up their own FDA, and it will have the advantage of not being a sham run by corporations, and they will benefit from smaller scale. They’ll be able to test more for a smaller nation than the current FDA tests for the U. S. overall.

    6. There are many many nations other than the United States which use U. S. currency. It’s not going anywhere. Again, do your research. In fact, when Russia was still communist they had a very hard time keeping their citizens from using other currencies that were stronger including U. S. dollars. They even made laws against possession of foreign currency, but they didn’t work.

    7. You don’t think this is a good thing? One of the great benefits of secession would be all the new jobs for manufacturing and farming that were destroyed by the decline of U. S. diversity of industry. Also, you don’t think Texas for example could still trade with China? or all the other nations in the world? Get real.

    8. So you believe a state that secedes will instantly have the status of Cuba? Guess what. I know people who have gone to Cuba. They go through Mexico. The United States doesn’t control travel worldwide. In fact there are probably many countries that would applaud and support secession of any state from this ridiculous disaster of a federation.

    9. Again, international trade will continue. Even if it didn’t, Texas has plenty of oil. I don’t expect OPEC to disallow all trade with a state that secedes, nor will Russia or any other source of fuel. In the long run we’ll be transitioning to electric cars anyway for the most part. We’re long overdue for shedding the shackles of the oil based economy that pollutes the world and spawns pointless wars.

    10. Again, I can’t imagine there won’t be people whose job it is to care for special needs people. Do you have some delusion that the United States is the only nation that has special needs people to care for? I understand since Bush was a president it does make it seem like the U. S. has the patent on the mentally retarded and mentally ill.

    11. Right, because no other nation has schools, right? It’s some kind of amazing impossible thing that only the United States can do. Did you know that in Mexico anyone can get a college education for free? Did you know that there are plenty of civilized countries around the world that have socialize education? Do you think a state that seceded will suddenly be incapable of this? You think the U. S. government is the only source of funding for schools? Are you from Mars?

    12. So a state can’t have freedom of religion in their constitution as well? Are you familiar with the constitutions of all the states?

    Again, do your research. http://texaspolitics.laits.utexas.edu/7_4_2.html

    13. Governors are also governed by the laws of the state, and they are elected officials. No one is proposing a dictatorship.

    14. This article just gets sillier and sillier. Name one nation on the face of the Earth that doesn’t have access to American entertainment. Seriously. You could go to the most messed up third world hell hole and still get American television, movies, music, video games, etc. Get real. You’re living in a fantasy world where the United States controls the world. They don’t.

    15. Other countries have their own postal services. It’s not that hard to set up delivery systems. Grow up.

    16. Plenty of other countries have socialized programs that work BETTER than all the ones you named.

    17. So we don’t allow people from other countries to invest in American corporations? Really? Again you’re off the deep end.

    18, How exactly will an American bank control their alleged property on foreign soil? You know what could happen? Suddenly your home is just your home because the land is controlled by the state.

    So, let’s recap. For some reason you believe the United States government is all powerful and controls everything and if a state seceded and became an independent nation again it would automatically need help from Big Brother USA in every way instead of being just as self sufficient as all the other nations on the planet.

    You also left out the possibility that multiple states could secede and start a new United States and share resources and be even stronger.

  78. wtf john dough u just wrote an entire essay trying to “refute” this hypothetical article. SERIOUSLY? its just hypothetical. most of the stuff you wrote was incorrect. most of the people who want to “secede” are racist pricks who hate obama. and anyone who tries to argue with this article anyway saying that some of the facts are false is stupid, because why would you want to defend racist dumbfucks who want leave simply because the president is black? if the states secede, it would mess the entire organisation of the counties, and each state would have declare itself their own country or group with other states. so no federal anything, they would basically have to sustain themselves as carol ann stated.

  79. My home is 100% paid for.. no fear of repo.. but, I am disabled on SS… do I won’t have income and won’t be able to pay property taxes.. which no doubt will sky rocket, so I too will loose my home.

  80. Carol Ann, great fiction. You have a career ahead writing children’s books. Do your research. Talk to an economist. Try to understand where the federal government obtains its financial backing. Now apply the same reasoning to the states remaining in the Union. I believe the states who are talking about being unhappy and wanting to break away would have adequate resources to survive equally well as the remaining states only with greater opportunity to do things as they, the 49.8% of the present population, wish to do.

  81. 1. Texas, and many other states, are self-sustainable.

    2. Actually, you can still access the satellites. People in countries like Brazil do this all the time.

    3. This person has no idea how the National guard works. No do they appear to know how international aide works. I am tempted to stop reading based on this point alone.

    4. Depends on the state. Federal prisoners would be transferred to other states. This person is using scare tactics here. You could also release all nonviolent offenders (Re: Pot charges) which would significantly reduce prison populations in each state.

    5. The FDA does a poor job of this. A system of 50 regulatory bodies testing independently would hold industries to higher standards. This argument holds little to no water.

    6. Actually several countries accept and use the USD as legal tender. Texas and other states could do this.

    7. Religious organizations did so for centuries, and most of the states wanting to succeed are where larger states get the resources for things sold in stores. (Cotton being a significant one) Also, Canada gets meat from Mex with no problem, and they go through that “union” thing mentioned.

    8. That wouldn’t take very long. Southwestern and other businesses like that are also incorporated in states like Texas, and they would likely benefit from secession.

    9. The states wanting to secede include Texas and Louisiana. Those would be the two major suppliers of gasoline and petroleum processed goods in the US. Without those two states, the US is screwed, not the seceding states.

    10. It is called a local community. Build one.

    11. Most of the Fed public funding only comes after meeting requirements, which cost the states money. There is a lot of questioning on the relationship of funding and education, and how in some cases they are inversely related.

    12. If you really think states would do that you probably want those states to leave anyways.

    13. It is likely that there would be calls to elect a new government. Entirely. Texas’ call for seceding would require just that.

    14. I live in Korea at the moment. (from Texas) and I watch US tv, movies, and listen to US songs all the time. If you are so isolated that you do not understand that people across the globe consume us media, you REALLY need to get out more.

    15. Good. They are kind of inept at the service. FedEx is also an international shipping company. So is DHS. More scare tactics here.

    16. Good. Healthcare enjoys artificially raised prices.

    17. Actually, that would be handled in secession. As you leave the US, you would be responsible for filing for these things. People outside of the US have stocks in the US. They also have bonds. China owns US bonds. Stop being stupid.

    18. You really need to read up on the history of international banking. We can declare that as a new nation, we are no longer responsible for the debts of the old. This has been done to the US countless times by foreign countries.

    So let’s recap:

    There will be doctors giving healthcare, and you can still pay for it with USD, or your new currency.

    Public schools will still likely exist, though they might have problems.

    There will be safe and likely more nutritious food due to no more GMO.

    Our homes would go with us; the banks will eat the loss.

    People will be able to make international calls and make use of this wonderful thing called “the internet” to communicate with grams and g-pa.

    Do I want states to secede? No. But are most if not all of your points baseless and absurd? Oh yes. Quite.

  82. to add to this, I will be going and watching the new twilight this weekend (in Korea) at a cheaper price (even though I am in Korea) with my girlfriend. Afterwards, I will probably be enjoying the Big Bang Theory, while I eat a Papa Johns Pizza (again, at a cheaper price), IN KOREA!

  83. Eric Smith, I’m with you. White people who want to rule themselves how they see fit are racists. If we can just eliminate all the white people, we’ll have heaven on earth here, just like we do in Nigeria. Stupid white people never do anything right. Let’s start a petition to order the banning of political opposition and then another one to demand deportation of white people!

  84. Ok, just a point on the National Guard.
    The members of the National Guard swear an oath to both the state and the Federal Government. Being that federal law supersedes state law each and every member of the guard would face a decision to follow The National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008 or commit treason.

    I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States and the State of (STATE NAME) against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the Governor of (STATE NAME) and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to law and regulations. So help me God.
    This is just postulation but I would assume that the Commander in Chief would relocate or disband any member of the National Guard within those. Again active duty military personnel would have no choice but to follow orders or commit treason.

    “I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.” (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).

    Personally I would hate to see the brave women and men serving enrich the lives of our nations people ever put into this position.

  85. [...] So you’re thinking of seceding [...]

  86. Biggest pile of stupid I’ve seen in one place in a very long time.

  87. To all of you racist secessionists (and if you are a secessionist you are racist to the core), there is no way in hell any of you Fascist fools can take your states anywhere. However, you are all free to secede from America any time you please for by signing a secession petition you are in effect renouncing your American citizenship. Now in making this declaration you should be immediately be stripped of all your rights of American citizenship; Social Security, Medicare, equal protection under the laws, etc. In other words if you don’t want to be a citizen, fine, but the rest of us should not have to spend our tax dollars supporting your racist, lazy, treasonous asses in the process. Just give up all benefits of being a citizen along with being a citizenship and leave. Either you do that or shut up because all you’re making yourselves out to be is band of racist, treasonous, self righteous, anti American, hypocritical fools!

  88. In other words, formally renounce your citizenship and all its benefits and get the hell out of the damn country you mob of parasitic maggots. America neither needs nor wants you!

  89. I agree. The majority of these personally-attacking and hateful comments are about the biggest “pile of stupid” I’ve seen in one place in a very long time as well.

  90. Get out of your liberal ivory tower and look around. People are fed up with slavery and want the freedom that used to be this country.
    “nearly free” education? HELLLOOO!! Can you say “property taxes?” “College loan debts?” Each classroom’s little commie pool? The Teachers’ Unions who couldn’t care less whether a kid is ready for the real world? Homeschoolers are usually better educated, well adjusted and much better behaved.
    Entertainment?? What entertainment?? Trashy reality shows? Overpaid, undertalented, liberal loudmouth jerks?
    We can get things outside our borders. Haven’t you ever heard of TRADE??
    Federal government in our healthcare, banking, housing codes, and welfare are why everything is so expensive in the first place. Before the New Deal we had things called mutual aid societies. Any group of people could get together and pool their resources. They could decide whether help was needed, deserved or available. The church used to be the charities until shoved aside by the New Deal.
    Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are all bankrupt. What are you worried about?
    Everybody has access to phone, fax, gps and internet satellites. Except Cuba where the average citizen is thrown in jail for surfing the internet.
    Manufacturing will come back to the U.S. when it’s not overregulated and under some outdated union’s bootheel.
    I have worked in the healthcare field. One reason why it’s so expensive is all the overregulation that overlaps each other.
    Most states will be able to drill and frack once the EPA is off their ass. My state just approved offshore drilling and exploration and can export it, creating hundreds of thousands of jobs so the state can afford all these things on its own. The price of gas, transportation and goods and services will bottom out because our exploration won’t be constantly blocked by the EPA bullies.
    Families will likely pull together because fathers won’t be replaced by welfare checks. Children with fathers are less likely to join gangs or commit violent crimes. Imagine that.
    Nobody said it would be easy, but freedome comes with a price.

  91. The funny thing is that there really aren’t that many people (not states) who actually want to secede and it is a few loudmouth malcontents sputtering their spoiled-brat indignation that things are not being done the way they want by who they want. Starting another nation is not easy, I’m sure, but I bet there are some very rich folks who would love to have the opportunity to sleaze into such a situation and become dictators in a plutocratic set up. The poor, misguided people who are clamoring for ‘freedom’ would be placing themselves in harm’s way by actually seceding. No governmental set up is perfect, and some are most definitely better/worse than others, but the USA is a pretty good set up for the most part.
    I agree with a few of these misfits that some of the points you make are a rather far-fetched, Carol, but I understand your point was to get people to actually think the entire process out and see that there is a lot more to secession than just not having to face the responsibilities our inefficient government asks of us in the name of the greater good. The sum of the whole is greater than the numbers making it and by reducing the numbers of your one’s society through secession will place a greater burden toward survival upon those who do so. Treaties and border security would need to be implemented quickly and, as I mentioned, the very wealthy would love to be able to have the opportunity to ‘buy’ into the opportunity to take control of their own nation, in collusion with whatever ‘leaders’ arise. Their personal, established power would enable them to fill the immediate needs of a new nation and thus segue themselves into overall leadership positions. Any of these secessionists would be open to potential serfdom or worse. The grass is always greener on the other side.

  92. Thank you Michael. You echo my sentiments precisely. :)

  93. I hope you people discussing products and resources are aware that privately owned businesses can’t just sell and move things internationally all willy-nilly. And just because television is run locally doesn’t mean the magic box can just fetch you Survivor. Understand where things really come from before getting to you before you discuss them.

  94. Ok who ever wanted Oregon to secede. It was a joke created by a troll. We like things just the way it is.

  95. Lets lay off Cuba, eh.

  96. No ill feelings intended toward Cuba, whatsoever. I do know my fellow Cuban Americans know how to party, though. :) That was probably the only and most sincere statement in my whole piece. :)

  97. Sorry CarolAnn, your article is the most inaccurate pile of BS I’ve had the displeasure of looking over. I’m not even going to waste my time discrediting your far flung opinionated crap.

  98. The secession movement is laughable tantrum throwing and I’m embarrassed for my compatriots. However, this analysis is ignorance by the truckload. Feds hinder states’ and individuals’ effectiveness in self determination. They mandate ineffective unfunded bureaucracy. They rob the states then ‘gift’ money back to them with strict instructions what to do with it. States already have their own governments in place and the grassroots charge the Feds with ignoring and perverting the foundation of our laws. Both parties are guilty of that and red states would review their state laws for their own abuses of it as they elect to re-employ the Founding Constitution. Yes, they will have some hard debates and they will probably make some bigtime republican mistakes, but they would greatly benefit from excising the vast unknowable legislation of the last 100 years.

  99. Yes, being dependent on drugs is bad whether they are street or prescription drugs. But as a civilized society we cannot just let them starve to death in the streets. Drug dependencies is a mental illness and need to be treated. Funds were cut from these services so much that this is the result of these cuts…so now the conservative types want to let them die starve to death in the streets…What is this world coming to…they say no to abortion but refuses to help those who are already living in this cold world. Maybe you might not know but there is babies born every day addicted to crack and other drugs as a result of this illness…what is needed is more funding for programs to help victims and children born into addiction live and be productive citizens.

  100. I find it rather amusing that I am being personally attacked on this particular blog article. Because it is my blog, I have the choice to publish or not publish any comments. As an American, I still offer the same respect to others to express their opinions without taking any of the ugliness personally. This in itself, allows me to rise above any toxicity. But thank you, still, for your feedback.

  101. States won’t have military power, but Mexico sure will!

    Good luck, Texas.

  102. Ok on this message i have to do this because i find it very very funny. first off i want to inform you im not for seceding from the US. im more interested in removing the Governmental control the US has over us as a whole. The government was put into place to take care of International issues that concerned the US, not to be used to control what is going on in the US, that was left for the US Citizens alone to decide. so lets do this the way you did.

    1) Even if the US does put a no trade policy in place with the seceded state, there are plenty of countries in the world that they can still trade with. And further on this note, look at the international trade right now. america only consumes 13% of american raised produce and livestock, the rest is shipped over seas to other countries. On top of that we import 87% of the produce and livestock we eat. On top of that, lets say…..hell pick a state..Nevada there we go. Nevada is the only state to secede from the US and the US decides that no trade with the state is allowed from the US. Since Nevada is a landlocked state the US can say no air or trave to the state because that would be allowed because you have to cross US air space and US territory to get to Nevada. Now lets break this up a little bit. Nevada is the number 1 producer of Onions in the world, they supply 79% of the world..not the US but the whole WORLD with onions. so no the US has to occupy 110,567 Square Miles of US land that can grow onions……that means ripping more trees, killing more animals, putting more species on the endangered list. On top of this Nevada is home to top secret military orginazitons, Waste disposals, and amunations depots. This means that the US would have to relocate all this within the STATES given time allotment. This means that if Nevada wanted it gone withing 24 hours the US would have to comply or Nevada would own it. and if the US issued a no trade policy do you think Nevada would give them any time to get that stuff out? this also means that nevada could then imprison any US Soldiers still in nevada that are not Nevada citizens. hey look now we are looking at terms of war. OC Nevada has 6 Nucular sites that are capable of toasitng Mexico and Canada, so how easy would it be to toast the states arround it? ya would NEVER happen so on to

    2) Satalites…there are only 6 US OWNED satalites in orbit. just like there is only 6 canadian, mexican, russian, chinnesee, scandaniavan etc in orbit at any given time. Has to deal with a peace treaty that was signed. that peace treaty also demes rights to use and be used by the nations of the world so yes we would still have all the unneeded luxries that the satalite have to offer :P which brings me to point

    3) Disasters, and National guard….just a little heads up the US worries more about their world standpoint then the standpoint of its citizens. in the last 10 years the US has put out 13 billion dollars to help the US citzens recoup from national disasters, but has spent 500billion to help the world out. so ya big whoopie if they loose the support of help from the US there. as for National guards men. the Army National Guard is a state based orginization…..oh wait kinda explains itself there :P so onto

    4) ya your right thoes inmates would be forced to be let go. and Nevada is holding prisoners from 45 states right now. so they could drive the inmate to the countries border and drop them off. not to mention states like Nevada have the death penalty and there are FEDERAL lawys inplace that stop Nevada from killing people. (not all just most) so Nevada could then off about 70% of the population of their jails and prisons from that. that would bring the costs of these prisons down to minimal. (more to this further down)

    5) Medications are tested by foreign goverments and Collages now. This means that the UNR (Unervisity of Nevada Reno for thoes who dont know the collage accronym)and the UNLV (University of Las Vegas) are well equiped with the tools and supplies needed to do their own testing. and on a further note the state of nevada makes pleanty of money to pay for it. (more on this later as well)

    6) The money…(i really love this subject) The US dollar printed on a canvas is worth .000001 US pennies in gold right now. The US has NO/ZERO/ZIP/NADA/MUCH NOTHING to back its payment. this means that states like Nevada (who funded the US with 190 Million last year) or Texas (who funded the US with 650M last year) or many of the other states would be doing just fine with money. And just because the money is no longer in the US doesnt mean it is no good. I have mexican Centavos, and English Pounds that i can take into this wonderful thing called an exchange office (there is multiple ones in EVERY country in the world) and have it converted to any other currancy i choose. so honestly without certain states the US debt would climb faster and more people would be without work, and more people would be more willing to secede from the US. anyways more on this later. next is

    7) – 18) ill just sum this up because i find it to damn funny. The United States of America, doesnt Control ANYTHING. Walmart’s are Chinese ran, look at a label on something you buy, Made in China, Made in Japan, Made in Taiwan, Made in Mexico, Made anywhere but US. In fact only 3% of the merchandise sold in the US is made in the US as of 2011. so thats bull. Airways and air traffic can not be controlled by the US due to FAA because the Federal Aviation Administration doesn’t control anything but what license you need to Fly IN the US. if ANY landlocked state became separated from the US then that state would be put on the International flight path highway guideline list. (just to let you know thats this wonderful international list of who can fly where over what countries without having to get prior authorizations first. and the US would have no choice but to allow it. even moreso there are hundred of countries in the world that when states started to separate from the US would take that time to attack the US. why because the US has been sticking their noses in other countries business way to long. China, Russia, Japan, Afghan, Iraq, Korea, Vietnam, and various other countries have been affected because of the US. Im an american citizen i love my COUNTRY hate my government. every-time some country goes to war we send our people over there to get involved in ways we shouldnt. Believe it or not the Military was formed to protect the US Citizens, not to be used as pawns in a political game. When we had the terriorist attack we should have sent a welcoming package to the leved their country and been done with it. no US lives lost. would innocent lives be lost because of it…yes. but then again if the us goverment pisses china off and they invade the US do you think they are going to only kill soldiers? think again. I wish people would open their damn minds before opening their mouth. its a wonderful thing when people do. they stop making themselves sound like asses. Would their be a little bit of a hardship if a state seceded from the US…Yes, for both the state and the US. but thats not what is going on, the states dont want to leave the US they want to leave their goverment that is wasting our lives, wasting our money, and destroying this once Great (and will be great again) nation. So shut your whole get out of your mommies basement and step into the real world for once. believe it or not you cant learn everything from the internet.

  103. @ that patty moron…We are so luck to have obummer as president BS….thats just what it is BS. President Obama has done nothing but kill US soldiers over a political statement. President Obama has publicly given away 34 TOP SECRET level 5 information secrets that were never supposed to be given to the public. you tell me how we are LUCKY to have him and ill show you how LUCKY you are we have morons like you here to vote for idiots like him. Since coming into office he has raised unemployment 6%, he has increased the number of illegals in the US, he has Raised the National Debt, he has Destroyed SSI, he is making this a Socialist Community instead of a Democracy that this country was made on, He has destroed IN GOD WE TRUST, he has Destroyed the corprate world…..or blessed it depending who you are. and is trying to change the US Constitution to fit HIS OWN NEEDS!!!! so ya im so glad we have him as a president. And ye Rimjob Romney was no better either. but with the political party in such a high toll these days if you aint Republican or Democrat you dont get votes. Honestly we need a US human in office. not a politician. not a money hungry spend 13 million dollars for a night out with his wife politician who would rather kill US soldiers rather then bring them home.

  104. Too bad the internet didn’t exist prior to July 4, 1776. If it did, I can just seem some douchebag in England writing up a stupid screed like this about the colonists clamoring for independence from England.

  105. The Declaration of Independence was only signed on July 4, 1776. At that time, it took an act of the American Congress to sign it and implement it. This was initiated by the American government. If most American citizens read and understand the reason why our Congress signed this declaration, they would equally understand that there were entirely different grounds for claiming independence from a foreign government. The only reasons today (for secession) are based on prejudice and racism. Something that the then-England government would have concurred with today’s secessionists. Sad, but true. We are very fortunate that our “forefathers” did what they did to create the government that we have today. Without it, none (of us) would have the personal power to express our opinions as freely as we do today. We are the “United” States for a reason. Read and understand history before making such wild assumptions.

  106. Anyone who thinks secession is fine should read the Supreme Court case of Texas v. White (1869) which established that unilateral secession from the United States is unconstitutional. This has zip to do with what one’s political affiliation may be and everything to do with the fact that, once a territory, possession etc. is admitted as a State of the United States, it stays that way and can’t leave. The people who are screaming loudest about secession are also the ones who most fervently recite the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag and forget that, right after their beloved phrase “Under God” comes this teeny-tiny word, “Indivisible.” Meaning “incapable of being divided.” In other words — we’re a country that doesn’t allow unilateral secession. QED. As my grandfather was wont to say, “Stopfen Sie das im Pfeife und dann rauchen Sie!” :D

  107. Most people didn’t think it was a good idea to rebel against English in late 1700’s , sometimes you have to stand up to injustice and let the chips fall where they may

  108. So, you entire article can be summed up as secession is bad because they won’t get handouts. Sad, pathetic, and utterly inexcusable; your handout-dependent generation is exactly what makes secession appealing. The time has long past for progressives to step up for what they believe and support the wastrels in society themselves, or realize socialism is a failure; always has been, always will be. Considering there are more of us (workers) advocating for secession, you probably should have given more thought to that fact before you climbed way up there on your high horse. Yes, there will be a period of adjustment as territories decide how they will function, control their borders, and manage trade. However, you won’t have to worry about that since your area will be filled with the drug addicts, illegal immigrants, the mentally ill, “special” needs children; and best of all, the inmates from the prisons. In fact, if the other territories adopt a policy similar to our refusing to be burdened by deviants who cannot conform to society, your lib-loving buds will be forced to take them into your area. (Texas and S. Carolina are probably working hard right now to restore Sparky). When the split happens, and it will very soon, we will each choose our fate; but at least, by God, we will have a choice.

  109. Normally I do not learn post on blogs, but I would like to say that this write-up very compelled me to
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  110. Amy, don’t let the door……..

    Nice argument for totalitarianism and genocide.


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